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Open Letter To Jehovah's Witnesses

by Outaservice in

jw
friends

i thought for some of the new ones here, that this letter would be good to repost..................... dear brothers: you may not remember, but i know you very well.

i met you a long time ago when you came to my house with your smiling faces, your neat clothes, and your soft voices, and a bible tucked neatly under your arm.

you told me many beautiful stories of a "paradise earth," and a "righteous new system" which would be established shortly.

OBVES

If you read my posts on this forum and some usenet discussion groups you may or should notice I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses despite of the numerous differences in how we understand the Bible .Nevertheless it is unavidable to recognize Jehovah's Witnesses as the best and only acceptable christian organization to set up the scenario of the end-times as predicted in the Bible. The end of the present world order would not take place unless all end-time signs preceding the actual final end of the evil world take place.

The signs were given by God Yahweh to His people to know the time of the end . So we must search for those people whom God had given the knowledge of knowing the time.

It must be proven that the Bible that was compiled after the first christians passed away is revelant for our times. To do so we must set dates that were originally linked to the rise of the true christian faith . These dates are 7 BC - 2 BC- 11 AD - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD - 119 AD - 150 AD

8 BC - 150 AD = 157 years must be duplicated in the end-time era to have the true christian faith again. And Luke 9.49-50 shows there are two categories of God's servants that teach the truth to the nations.

You have to identify those servants . One small group of servants and one independent servant all from the class 144000 God's people who lead the nations to God through Christ.

If you already read my posts the period is in our times fixed !

1878 AD + 157 years = 2035 AD

7 BC = 1879 AD 2 BC = 1884 AD 5 years + 152 years : 1883 AD - 2035 AD

If we project 70 weeks of Daniel 9.24 into far distand future we have a few variations .

607 BC + 70 weeks as 7 Times (2520 years ) + 70 years =1984 AD

455 BC + 70 weeks as 7 Times ( 420 years ) + 70 years = 36 AD

607 BC - 455 BC = 150 years

1884 AD + 150 years = 2034 AD. We must find a period of 120 years in the likeness of Noah's days .

It can be 1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD

And 7 days from Genesis 7.1-4 we can consider as 7 years.

2004 AD + 7 years = 2011 AD

If the end must take place in 2011 AD we must have the two categories of God's servants in place now ! Matthew 24.45 speaks about the faithful servantg giving his food to his flock . This must be taking place for the end to take place !

So we search using the Bible who bests fits the description of those two categories of servants and who have their own followers.

One small group has the organization to rule over while the single servants can have single sympathizers as he cannot establish another competitive organization . He can not be against that small united group of servants .

It is not about your freedom to follow the right time plan God Yahweh had established .

It is about which religious christian organization is the best inn the light of the Bible ! You will not find another one that is better than Jehovah's Witnesses are ! Any critique anyone puts forth is without merit unless you show me the other organization that is better than Jehovah's Witnesses and it you must prove that by superimposing dates from the times when Christ and his first disciples lived upon our times ! Just as I did !

If you don't have that you cannot cirticize Jehovah's Witnesses as you may be fighting with God of the Bible - with His end-time plan !

Once the dates are put in place you have to explain the Book of Revelation in time setting and Matthew 24.3-31 . If the end is coming soon almost all signs must have been already fulfilled.

I am pointing that we are today in Matthew 24.29 since August 11,1999 AD when solar eclipse took place ending the spiritual great tribulation period of 1984 AD - 1999 AD.

Since we can notice the periods : 1984 AD - 1990 AD ,1990 AD-1994 AD,1994 AD-1999 AD we can include the period 1914 AD - 1944 AD in that tribulation.

1914 AD - 1919 AD is for 1994 AD-1999 AD

1929 AD - 1933 AD is for 1990 AD - 1994 AD

1938 AD - 1944 AD is for 1984 AD - 1990 AD

We can know now that since 1914 AD we can begin the explanation of the Book of Revelation.

The Book of Revelation can be divided into two eqaul parts !

chapters 1- 11 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +

chapters 12-22 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +

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Jehovah and Jesus ....supervisors!

by MacHislopp in

i could not resist to comment on this:.

the following statement was published by the society, as part of the the weekly watchtower study, to be considered in the week of 18th-24th february 2008 , the watchtower january 15th , 2008 pages 11-12 16. if you feel that you are not as skilled at teaching as you would like to be, take heart.

jehovah and jesus are supervising the educational programm that is being carried out worldwide today.

OBVES

And who are they ? They are the people who perfectly fill up the end-time plan with God Yahweh !

I have proven with my calculations based on the Bible that the International Bible and their successors are acceptable to God an organized christian religion. If you want to challenge this view you have to provide another organization that beats them in the understadning of the Bible. I am not saying the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are infallable but that they are the best among all religious organizations on the face of this planet.

So ,if one criticizes Jehovah's Witnesses he may not bring any solution to a person searching for the truth.

If we establish using the Bible who is the best in understanding the Bible ,then ,we must stop critique and rather encourage others to accept this fact.

If you anyone doesn't like Jehovah's Witnesses let them provide the substitute.

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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?

by a Christian in

forgive me if this has been posted here before.

i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.

this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.

OBVES

To decode the signs of the coming end one must have a timeline first ! There were always wars and pestilences on earth . How can we know that solar eclipse August 11,1999 AD and lunar eclipse January,21 ,2000 AD were the signs of the coming end ? There were hundreds of solar and lunar eclipses before ! The same applies to wars !

That is why we must establish timeframe and work on it and place the signs .

The timeframe-the best in my view- is : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1999 AD - 2011 AD. The Book of Revelation can be divided into two equal parts :

chapters 1-11 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +

chapters 12-22 : 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD +

Matthew 24 .3-28 best fits the period 1914 AD - 1999 AD.

The Spiritual Tribulation lasting 15 years: 1984 AD -1999 AD ( + extra 30 years : 1914 AD - 1944 AD ) ended in 1999 AD.

Matthew 24.29 followed as we had solar and lunar eclipses within 154 days ! The 154-day period comes from calculations I presented on some usenet groups. The gap is very important to identify both phenomena as the signs of the end-time era.

The sun and moon may not shine as we see but stars cannot fall literally to the earth . So ,we look for another explanation to the falling stars .

Christ is called the Morning Star . I have established in the end-time era that one year can be added to the timeline : 1879 AD - 2011 AD at both ends as Christ is the beginning and the end.

We put one year for Christ each time:

1878 AD - 1879 AD and 2011 AD - 2012 AD

The 12 stars falling are for the 12 years passing by .

2000 AD ( fall ) + 12 stars falling lead to the year 2011 AD.

In 2011 AD in the fall Matthew 24.30-31 should be fulfilled.

Once we know the timeframe it is easy to identify both world wars of 1914 AD - 1919 AD and 1938 AD-1944 AD as the signs that fit the two seals : no 2 and no 4 in Revelation 6.3-4 and 6.7-8.

The world depression of 1929 AD - 1933 AD comes under Revelation 6.5-6.

We take the periods of these three catastrophies and superimpose on the Spiritual Tribulation of 1984 AD - 1999 AD:

We have 5 years,4 years and 6 years respectively.

1914 AD-1919 AD = 5 years 1929 AD-1933 AD = 4 years 1938 AD - 1944 AD = 6 years

5+4+6=15 years : 1984 AD - 1990 AD - 1994 AD - 1999 AD which is 6+4+5 = 15 years

Note : 1944 AD -1945 AD = one extra year can be considered too. 1914 AD -1945 AD = 31 years

31 years + 15 years = 46 years

This stands for :

1513 BC - 1467 BC = 46 years when Israel was liberated in Egypt and went through the period of great tribulations of 46 years.

1512 BC - 1467 BC = 45 years if we consider 30 years + 15 years = 45 years

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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?

by a Christian in

forgive me if this has been posted here before.

i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.

this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.

OBVES

We don't look for the understanding of what the sign of the Man could mean at NASA in Houston ! We search the Bible for clues and we get more and more understanding.

The present era 1984 AD - 2011 AD seems to be the time when God Yahweh allows for the better understanding of the Bible. I myself was considering the period 2029 AD - 2033 AD - 2036 AD as the very corresponding period of 29 AD-33 AD - 36 AD with 2000 years counted after.

But there are some more factors that must be considered to put aside that period at least for some 4 years.

The year 2011 AD comes into view even for this one reason as I have come to the understanding that 12 stars we read in Matthew 24.29 can mean 12 years !

Christ is called the Morning Star and I ascribed one year to that star at the beginning of the end-time era.

1878 AD - 1879 AD ( Tishrey = Sept/Oct)

1999 AD marked the end of the Spiritual Tribulation : 1984 AD - 1999 AD with the solar eclipse on August 11,1999 and the lunar eclipse on January,21,2000.

From the fall 2000 AD we count 12 falling stars as 12 years = 2011 AD.

The Sign of the Son of Man should appear in 2011 AD.This could be the realization that the final time has come for all mankind .The last letter in the Hebrew is Tau which resembles a letter " t " like a cross . The last letter so the last time has arrived .

Note since it fits that 120 years pass for the end of the world to take place like it was during Noah's days we must go back 120 years from 2029 AD - 120 = 1909 AD 2033 AD - 120 years = 1912 AD 2036 AD - 120 = 1916 AD

The dates like 1912 AD and 1916 AD didn't come into view in my end-time calculations.

The date 2034 AD is very good for prediction as 120 years back we come to 1914 AD which was a significant date.

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Christians: Do You Uphold the Sabbath Law?

by serotonin_wraith in

if the biblical commands are to be followed, and god's morality outweighs or controls our own, i must say i feel the law about not working on the sabbath seems to be ignored for the most part.. some of the laws found in the ot have now been set aside by many christians - not stoning disobedient children, for example.

believers may show how jesus' arrival on earth fulfilled certain rules which only applied to the jews of the time.. can the same be said for the sabbath law?

it still appears in the ten commandments, and i was under the impression those rules had to be followed today.. if all sins are equal, it's a little odd how we don't hear of any groups picketing at supermarkets every week with signs saying 'god hates sabbath workers'.

OBVES

You have to realize that we are living in the end-times and we may be as far as less than 4 years from the end of the present evil world order if you know my posts. If so, the words of Daniel 12.4 should have found fulfillment now !

You don't look how people understood the Sabbath 200 years ago or 1000 years ago but how the Sabbath is understood now and by whom ?

Luke 9.49-50 allows for two categories of Christ's servants who are legitimate preachers of the Bible in the end-times:

one small group + one seperate individual servant that closes the list of 144000 specially chosen people by God Yahweh .

These must reflect the times when Christ and his first servants lived.

7 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD And we superimpose this timeline properly upon our times using the date 1984 AD as the beginning date to place the corresponding dates.

1879 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD

The Sabbath now is a Spiritual Sabbath ! Each and every day of a week for a true christian is a Sabbath day as their time is under the 7th day for God Yahweh which was already when Christ lived and is still now and will be for many years to come.

Christ spoke in parables- Matthew 13.11,34-35.

Matthew 11.28:

Come unto me ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest .

Come unto me ye that sin and are heavy laden with sins and I will give you rest ( every day ) from sins !

In view of that most christian religions are in opposition to that kind of the New Sabbath !

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How long have humans been on earth?

by loosie in

what is the general theory of how long homosapiens have existed on earth?.

is it 6000 years?

50,000 years or something else?.

OBVES

To begin with , you one must realize we live in the very end-times as per Daniel 12.4 so the best understanding of the Bible should be available but will be missed by most people as we approach the most likely final year 2011 AD .This is the next best prediction of the end of the world in my view.

If you know my views on the Bible I am proving the evolution is Biblical with God working behind it.

The age of the universe I counted based on the Bible to be almost excatly as the scientist say :
more than 15 billion years .

From Adam we gather the line through which Israel came to existence . So in the Bible we read the origin of the nation of Israel. Beside Adam who was the first modern man there were olther human beings scattered all over the earth .Adam was the first in line as the modern man.

If so , before Adam many primitive stages of man's development were possible.

6 days = more than 15 billion years which allows for one symbolic day lasting more than 2.5 billion years !

Man was being created near the end of that long day which allows up to 1/3 of that period !

Why ? Because when Jesus was still on earth there were last days in effect .

4000 years to Christ - 2000 years after Christ = 6000

2000 years is 1/3 of 6000 years .

I would not be surprised if man existed ( including his primitive stages ) 840 million years !

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Islam-What the west needs to know.

by avishai in

interesting documentary.

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http://openflv.com/watch?v=ota5mzk4ma==&p=0

OBVES

That if the prediction of the end of the present evil world order for 2011 AD comes to pass , the West as we know it today will cease to exist ! So , we have less than 4 years to find out that and better the West takes note of that .

There is no need to know other religious books ! The Bible with its best possible understanding is what the West truly needs today .

There cannot be two books God Yahweh accpets today as sacred ! The Koran contradicts the Bible ! So one must choose one book only . And the Bible is superb and clearly distinctive book. I stay with the Bible .

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AMERICAN RELIGIOUS IDENTIFICATION SURVEY, 2001

by darkuncle29 in

i thought this may be of interest to some, don't know if its been posted before.. .

american religious identification survey, 2001. the graduate center of the city university of new york.

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf.

OBVES

We are to look for the best Christian religion which by the virtue of its understanding the Bible should be the one God Yahweh accepts.

If my posts with my calculations and their explanations are not satisfying you try to read "Religions in America " by Leo Rosten .

I have found that the best religion impartially presented in his book is Jehovah's Witnesses' .

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Missing books

by jacethespace in

are there missing books from the bible that christians of the 1st century and perhaps the children of israel used?

which were taken out when the roman catholic church ordained the bible.. joshua 10:13 says -is not this written in the book of jasher?.

2 samual 1:18 also mentions a book of jasher.. 2 chronicles 9:29 says- now the rest of the acts of solomon first and last are they not written in the book of nathan the prophet and in the prophecy of ahijah the shilonate and in the visions of iddo the seer.

OBVES

This is a very complex problem as I could easily hold on to the view that the Holy Writings were for people living up to the year 70 AD and then to the people of the unknown time ,say , 1 000 000 years from now .

So ,many people speaking about missing or lost books of the Bible would have a hard time to debate this issue as it could be irrelevant .

By calculations I had presented on the internet I have proved by circumstancial evidence the Bible is for our times and you can see it encrypted into our end-time era ! 1879 AD - 2011 AD. As it fits niecely into this time frame.

If someone denies this he or she must come up with another time pattern that will refute the pattern I am giving.

Once the time frame is established we can place Matthew 24.3-31 into the 1914 AD - 2011 AD.

The Book of Revelation divided into two halves fits the time pattern as follows:

1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD + ( 1-11 chapters )

1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD + ( 12 - 22 chapters )

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Missing books

by jacethespace in

are there missing books from the bible that christians of the 1st century and perhaps the children of israel used?

which were taken out when the roman catholic church ordained the bible.. joshua 10:13 says -is not this written in the book of jasher?.

2 samual 1:18 also mentions a book of jasher.. 2 chronicles 9:29 says- now the rest of the acts of solomon first and last are they not written in the book of nathan the prophet and in the prophecy of ahijah the shilonate and in the visions of iddo the seer.

OBVES

People who try to add something to the Bible we have today can be called enemies of God Yahweh.The Bible must have 66 books as I have proven using the calculations based on the Bible. These 66 books must be present in any verison of the Bible we get into our hands and we operate strictly on these books.

What Christ taught and done in his 3.5 years of his ministry could have taken many books the world could not contain ! - John 21.25. If all that Jesus had said is not in the Bible how can you speak about lost books of the Bible if we deal with this that many words Jesus spoke were omitted by God Yahweh who have him His own words as Jesus was inspired by God the Father.

If someone speaks about missing books he better read the Bible and correct his problem as soon as possible.

We are to stick to the Bible as we get it and we consider 66 books that King James Bible has as the Holy Book.

If you read the layout of the books of the Bible you should see how Mighty God Yahweh took care of His word that we got the right Bible despite of the fact that original writings were lost for a good reason for Yahweh to prove His point.

1879 AD + 12 years for 12 books of the latter part of the Old Testament + 27 years folr 27 books for the first part of the Old Testament + 27 years for 27 books of the New Testament = 1945 AD

1945 AD + 27 years for the New Testament books + 27 years and 12 years for the books of the Old Testament = 2011 AD

1879 AD + 12 + 27 + 27 + 27 + 27 + 12 = 2011 AD
Note the 27 represents " 7 Times " in my calculations .

And the 27th book of the Old Testament is the Book of Daniel that speaks about " 7 Times " !

And the 27th book of the New Testament is the Book of Revelation that speaks about " 7 Times " and the end of the world !

There is no need for any single additional book to the Bible ! There are sure no lost books of the Bible but many lost minds who deny the Bible is from God Yahweh and is sufficient to come to the Truth and salvation.