Is he a false prophet ? By no means whatsover ! He had good predictions based on the knowledge of the Bible at a given time . He had no false predictions but not complete or inadequate ! You don't call those guys who predict the weather using the best instruments false prophets .
But that that is not a complete picture. Why ?
Suppose I promise you I will visit you the next year. I make up the list of dates from which to choose from in proper time:
February 12; June 11 ; August 21, October 19,November 22, December 28 .
And you by knowing me - what time of a year I like best and what days of a week I like most and so on - was able to pick 6 days which are exactly the same I have on my list to choose ! The fact you have come up with the same exact dates is already pointing how good predictor you are as you now able to use these dates in timely order to expect my coming and you will finally hit the right date ! Chances for you to pick my 6 dates are almost zero ! In lottery in which chances are 1: 80 000 000 you have better chance to pick the right numbers to win a jackpot !
Posts by OBVES
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by Witness 007 indozens of false prophecies and doctrinal "flip flops" but witnesses still claim........"but its the truth!
so, if there is a god or jehovah can he blame me for having doubts????
if i was in the governing body i would have learnt my lesson from russell's false predictions 1879 1914 etc........instead it continued........rutherford 1925......w.w 2........and franz "god's oricle" surley he got the message..........nope.....1975 and the generation of 1914....surely god will be merciful and say:"hey witness 007, it's not your fault!...they weren't speaking for me....no wonder you stumbled...come in to paradise!
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Does "God" Jehovah hate us for leaving the Watchtower society? Why!
by Witness 007 indozens of false prophecies and doctrinal "flip flops" but witnesses still claim........"but its the truth!
so, if there is a god or jehovah can he blame me for having doubts????
if i was in the governing body i would have learnt my lesson from russell's false predictions 1879 1914 etc........instead it continued........rutherford 1925......w.w 2........and franz "god's oricle" surley he got the message..........nope.....1975 and the generation of 1914....surely god will be merciful and say:"hey witness 007, it's not your fault!...they weren't speaking for me....no wonder you stumbled...come in to paradise!
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We have to understand God of the Bible is perfect in His workings and He has a perfect end-time plan that we must search for in the Bible. You cannot go on your own in your faith in God as it is extremely difficult to do so and you want to be sure you are accepted by God by doing so. I am telling this from my own experience as I am claiming that status of an independent servant of God in Luke 9.49-50.
The knowledge I have about the Bible exceptionaly keeps me going and I have good explanations based on the Bible to be on my own in my faith. I have been giving an advice to listening people that you can believe on your own or join Jehovah's Witnesses. While alone a person can be an observer in meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses as it may be very difficult to be alone in faith.
If you want to be in companionship of other people who love God and the Bible the best way to do it is to join Jehovah's Witnesses or be at least an active observer in their meetings.
Being alone in your faith doesn't guarantee God Yahweh accepts you if He has a set plan of salvation. Luke 9.49-50;Matthew 24.45-46 allow for the existence of two categories of Christ's servants : one small united group of servants and one seperate independent servant . And by these God Yahweh accepts other people who want to come to Jesus Christ in an everlasting way. You cannot be another servant of God and Jesus in this setting as the places are already taken in a timely fashion as the end-time timeline shows. You must follow servants who come under Luke 9.49-50. In the place of the small group of servants they have their flock to feed in the form of an organization. There cannot be a second organization God Yahweh accepts. If you don't like Jehovah's Witnesses you have to provide another one-only organization that is better than Jehovah's Witnsses are ! And that organization must fit the timeline for the end-times.
Only the International Bible Students and their successors Jehovah's Witnesses fit the timeline I came up with .
1879 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD -1921 AD - 1935 AD -1942 AD - 1991 AD
Or you have to come up with a new timeline and convince others it is the best timeline that can be arrived at.You have to have a starting date to begin setting up the timeline.
Then for one seperate servant is this timeline: 1950 AD - 1955 AD - 1973 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD.
The date 1879 AD is linked to the name Watchtower ! If you were not born in 1950 AD you cannot be that single seperate independent servant as it is God's plan established long time ago before you and me were born.
The same way only servant born in 7 BC , 2 BC could lay initially a claim to be the Messiah: Jesus Christ.
Anyone born in 9 BC or 12 BC or 21 BC could not claim to be the Messiah who was to save the world ! Time plan plays a very important role ! God set up the time plan and it must go that way. You cannot claim christians in all christian organizations are saved as God Yahweh accepts only one christian organization and you must find that one ! You cannot accept even two organizations !
You cannot just belive on your own as Luke 9.49-50 points to only one seperate independent servant God Yahweh uses to lead nations to Jesus Christ besides that one small group of servants who also lead the nations to Jesus Christ. You don't have to agree with what I say but you putting yourself in a great risk !
What if my prediction for the end of the world comes true in 2011 AD ?
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Surge in "anointed ones"
by dozy inthe nightmare scenario is slowly unravelling for the wts.. since 1935 , wtbts policy was to shut up the kingdom of heaven by implying that any new anointed was at best misled & at worst a fake.
franzs replacement theory did little to help matters.
this suppressed many jws from becoming anointed.. recent wt articles & changes in thought has resulted in a surge in jws claiming this status.
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The common mistake some people make is they look at the past and don't realize that the more we move in time forward the better understanding of the Bible comes into the light.
The Watchtower made numerous mistakes in the interpretation of the Bible and it can still make as all preachers today should rely on the Bible alone as God Yahweh doesn' t give any further direct inspired revelations.At that time what the Watchower was giving to people was good and served its purpose .The Watchtower still had the best understanding of the Bible and was acceptable to God at that time as my presented end-time plan God Yahweh has covers and protects the Watchtower .
I pointed out already a gross mistake the Watchtower made and makes .Not a single woman is included in the number 144OOO servants. You can see that Jesus had 12 disciples and all were men ! Not a single woman was his disciple in the 12 .
The next mistake of the Watchtower is that nobody will go to heaven literally ! The heaven now must be viewed as the heavenly condition ! The perfect state of being with God Yahweh . All, 144OOO menservants are men and will live on earth and rule over other saved people . Every servant of God Yahweh is promised to have a wife - Psalm 128.
For instance if I claim to be one of those 144OOO chosen and am servant fearing God and now I am in celibate how God's promise in the given pslam will come true ? On earth !
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Surge in "anointed ones"
by dozy inthe nightmare scenario is slowly unravelling for the wts.. since 1935 , wtbts policy was to shut up the kingdom of heaven by implying that any new anointed was at best misled & at worst a fake.
franzs replacement theory did little to help matters.
this suppressed many jws from becoming anointed.. recent wt articles & changes in thought has resulted in a surge in jws claiming this status.
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Learn from my posts why ? This seems to be a literal number of great servants of God Yahweh. 360 days in each prophetic year multiplied by 400 years and 400 is a numerical value ascribed to the last letter of the Old Hebrew alphabet Tau which looks like a cross . So , the 400 represents Christ who liberates his servants from slavery in sin . 360 x 400 = 144OOO .Psalm 119.
Israel was the first nation chosen by God Yahweh and called a first-born son - Exodus 4.22. These 144OOO servants are the first -born servants spiritually.To be such they must be a part of the body of Christ :Adam was a man . Adam and Eve also one man. Christ now with his bride ( wife) is one Christ - the first born. The first-born are the best children of God Yahweh.
God's name in the modern times is represented by 11,6,7,6 as well due to the changes in the Hebrew alphabet . 11x6x7x6=2772
72 stands for half of God's name which can mean also " 7 times" and after " 7 times" we can add 36 years .
72 + 36 = 108 The other half can be 108 as well . 108+108 = 216
216 years are designated for the choice of Christ and his 144OOO servants.
3 BC + 108 years = 106 AD 11 AD + 108 years = 119 AD - Psalm 119 11 AD + 2000 years = 2011 AD
1883 AD + 108 years = 1991 AD 1891 AD + 108 years = 1999 AD 1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD
To my belief the cut-off date for 144OOO seems to be the year 1991 AD.It is not excluded as I am linked to the period 1984 AD -1991 AD that God Yahweh with His choice of me as His great end-time servant closed the list in 1984 AD-1991 AD. Note I am laying a claim based on my understanding of the Bible and the end-time era resulting from it that Luke 9.49-50 applies to the small group of united servants among Jehovah's Witnesses and me as a seperate independent servant who is not against that small group of great servants.
Also note that 144OOO servants are called menservants and that excludes any christian woman . Most true christian men are excluded.
You would have to understand the predestination doctrine the way I understand it to know that God Yahweh is just in His choice of Jesus Christ and his 144OOO disciples.
YAHWEH = 27 ... 72 YAH is 27 or 72 . If so YAH WEH can be as 72 + 72 = 144 or 27+27 = 54 .
God's name originally is like : 28 or 26 as I had explained on the internet . 26+28 = 54
The Tetragrammaton to a pagan christian resembles one time 7 and 7 and one time 7 and 7 = 4 x 7 = 28
The numerical values to the Hebrew Tetragrammaton : 10,5,6,5 ... 10+5+6+5 = 26
Note the 27 in God's name which is "7 Times" : 2+3+4+5+6+7 = 27 2x3x4x5x6x7=5040 is the same as 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040 "
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OBVES and JCannon: Willing to wager on 2011?
by inkling inas they say, talk is cheap.
this seems to hold true for prophecy.. obves and people who buy into his and h camping's end times prediction.
may talk a lot, but in the end all they are wagering on 2011 is a. measure of empty hope and perhaps what's left of their reputation.
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This is one the most important observation in the history of the religion. The Bible is a superior book over all other sacred books that it is infused with the end-time predictions ! So the true christianity has to be as such . We don't look for true christianity among those who object to the end-time predictions. That is why the Jehovah's Witnesses are the best religous organization there is on the face of the earth.
Their predecessors the International Bible Students were of the same type ! They were emerged in the predictions all the time . You can check their literature.
Even Harold Camping who is of different views than I and Jehovah's Witnesses rose to the status of the best Bible preacher on radio by this one factor alone : by preaching the end of the world coming soon . He came with an excellent date 1994 AD and now he has 2011 AD - the same date I came to in a different way. He is very gifted and is distinctive to a such a degree that he can pose the most serious challenge to Jehovah's Witnesses and me. He is against all christian churches . And if you are alone in your faith and don't agree with his teachings you are also rejected according to what he is teaching.
Since I and Harold Camping predict the end of the world in 2011 AD it boils down to the point who is right in God's eyes with his teachings . We may be both right as to the year predicted. Our lives are filled up with the prediction of the end of the world.And it there where one must look for the True Christian religion as the title pointed it out.
I am siding with Jehovah's Witnesses who have the remnant of 144000 in their ranks and I as an independent servant cannot be against them to fulfill the words of Luke 9.49-50.
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OBVES and JCannon: Willing to wager on 2011?
by inkling inas they say, talk is cheap.
this seems to hold true for prophecy.. obves and people who buy into his and h camping's end times prediction.
may talk a lot, but in the end all they are wagering on 2011 is a. measure of empty hope and perhaps what's left of their reputation.
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If you could see my day today you would be dumbfounded to see how I lack a free time. My preaching work is not on grand scale . And even I find it difficult to find a lot of free time to do just that. No time for gambling ! I happens I don't have to time finish eating my breakfast. I used to come late to work almost day by day ! On the road riding bike every second counted !
But know I could do many other things and what I did already for God's Word is much more than betting for $ 5000 for the prediction.
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OBVES and JCannon: Willing to wager on 2011?
by inkling inas they say, talk is cheap.
this seems to hold true for prophecy.. obves and people who buy into his and h camping's end times prediction.
may talk a lot, but in the end all they are wagering on 2011 is a. measure of empty hope and perhaps what's left of their reputation.
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This is my next closest date for the end of the world .The only other preacher I know of right now that predicts the same year is Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations,Inc. He is my most serious opponent . I don't see JCanon on this scene as I don't know he came up with the same date with reasonable explanations to back up the date.
I see another preacher Ronald Weinland who is claiming he is the last prophet of God of Abraham in his book " 2008.God's Witness". He is predicting the fall of the United States this year or at the latest spring ,2009 AD. He is putting his reputation on the line very clearly and this year it will be known if he is the true prophet or not.
Ronald Weinland claims to be the one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11.2-3 and the period of 3.5 years ( 1260 days ) is to begin this fall ,2008 AD .
2008 AD ( fall) + 3.5 years = spring , 2012 AD.
Harold Camping has his own different chronology .From the time of the Noah's flood 4990 BC there will be 7000 years in 2011 AD . 7000 years is for 7 days in Genesis 7.1-4.
In my spiritual chronology the flood in Noah's days began in 2372 BC. Adam was finally created in 4027 BC ! So,we differ a lot on chronology.Yet , we came up with the same year 2011 AD.
We both hold firmly once God finished giving the Bible - divine revelations , he ceased giving His miracles.
JCanon lays at least one claim that would be contrary to that above-view . I think he wrote about hearing voice from heaven speaking about him " Hear . This is my son " . God of the Bible doesn't speak this way to no one today ! If we want to hear God speaking to us we must turn to the Bible which is God's Word spoken to all .
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Deluded Witnesses - View Themselves as Temporary " Alien Residents"
by flipper inwhen we were once jehovah's witnesses , and after we left jehovah's witnesses,this organization controls it's rank and file members to view themselves as " temporary residents" who are waiting for a better world to live in the future , and are told to not put too much faith or stock in this world because it has nothing to offer them .
in this way the watchtower society controls the individual witnesses view of living towards the future, but not for today - in the real world.
ways that the watchtower society does this is as follows .
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If you know what I have already on the end-tme era we live today they seem to be the most reasonable and smart people .
If you knew me personally and could learn from me what my eyes have seen and see you would pick up the stick and stand near the entrance to many a store and hit the shopping people with the stick for their craziness for what they buy.
Most likely no one on this forum has amassed more things than I did . You would need pills for heart attack before you could enter my place and see what I have ! To make it simple if I were to start all over again I would be much wiser in buying what I had bought.
Probably a few Bibles , a few other books ,a few notebooks , some other small items and one radio , one tv set and one computer and table with three chairs and a bed would do it !
Ah about abstaining from marriage . I have three sisters whose husbands died and two of them by marrying were going through hell in their lives especially one that is here in the USA. My brother lives with girlfriend and writes me of his horrible situation that seems to me as another hell !
My sister here tells me how it is good for me that don't have a wife ! Her son reminds me a prodigal son even worse of that !
I wish I had Jehovah's Witnesses as my neighbors . Do you want to know what does it mean not to have such come to me to my place and you will see another hell that is brought upon me by my neighbor living above me !
How good it is to expect the finality to the whole craziness of mankind that doesn't know God like Jehovah's Witnesses do !
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"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?
by Fatfreek inas far as i can tell with google searches, it began sometime in the '60s.
can someone confirm this?
is that also when awake, page 4, began its classic statement, "... before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.
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I see mistakes of many ! They try to turn attentiont to the past mistakes of the Watchtower ,not realizing how grave mistakes they make themselves. Now is the time when Daniel 12.4 is being fulfilled and what the Watchtower was teaching at that time was reflecting much lower level of understanding that it has now . But note also if read my posts there must be considered also one extra servant of God as per Luke 9.49-50 that may have also another understanding of the Bible that legitimatizes his independence of the Watchtower and yet that servant having such views is not against that one small united group of servants that was in the ranks of the International Bible Students and that is also among Jehovah's Witnesses. This is God's plan .What the International Bible Students taught was sincere and they taught the way they understood the Bible and it was the best at that time and served the purpose in the right time.
Christ could have meant the evil generation as a whole that it will not pass away until the very end of the world comes.
The Bible is the reflection of the infinite mind of God Yahweh and one sentence may contain more truths than one -more explanations than just one. There are various ways to understand the generation Christ was speaking.
If you insist on the 1914 AD generation it is still alive and well and thousands of people born before 1911 AD are living today and will live in 2011 AD as a year of my next prediction . See here I am talking about 101-year age ! 1910 AD - 2011 AD. A child of 5 years can remember some events far to the very end of life . So ,those who were 5 years old in 1914 AD are the cut-off age.
The end-time generation can also mean people who will be living in the period 1914 AD - 2011 AD and witness all the signs combined and that would be confirming the above view of the 5-year cutt-off age.
By no way the generation of 1914 AD shall pass away until all these things will happen .
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We have to bear in the mind that if we have the end-times we must have the faithful servant that has his flock to feed - Matthew 24.45-46 .
We cannot ignore these vereses . If we put aside the Watchtower and her organization : the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses from the period 1914 AD -1999 AD we must have other organization put in their place as Matthew 24.45-46 must be fulfilled. Otherwise the end of the world cannot take place as there is a missing link that must be fulfilled.
I am using dates from the time Christ and his first followers lived and taught the Truth and superimopose them upon our times to identify the true worshippers of God Yahweh !
If I knew my calculations back then when Christ lived and his disciples and the our calendar was used I would easily identify Jesus Christ from many false Christs ! I would have dates 7 BC , 2 BC , 4 AD , 11 AD ,29 AD , 33 AD !
Just like now I can disqualify most people who claim to be great servants and predict the end of the world . To be qualified to predict the end of the world now a person that predicts must be born in 1950 AD ! So if you know that anyone who now predicts the end and puts the date and was not born in 1950 AD ( March/April - September/October ) must be rejected with the prediction ! So ho weasy it is now to search the internet and who is making great claims to be a great servant and who predicts the end and check him out in the light of the given dates. In advance I know that if a person claims to be great servant and was born in 1951 AD that person is not chosen by God Yahweh for a great mission.
JCanon has a big point he claims he was born in 1950 AD but I was born also and I know a guy from Poland who claims to be the third after Yahweh and Jesus and calls himself Michael the Prince . He is to be considered as he says he was born in 1950 AD !
I have three people I know to consider instead of thousands !Thanks to the calculations and resulting understanding
I can ask JCanon what day in 1950 AD he was born . If not in the months as given above he will be disqualified by this one reason during next proceedings whom to recognize as that one seperate independent servant as per Luke 9.49-50.
Michael the Prince from Poland was born in October or Sepetember in 1950 AD . So,he should be considered more seriously than JCanon.He claimed God was speaking to him and it was his big mistake as God doesn't speak to nobody since the time the Bible was completed ! So , Michael the Prince is disqualified as well .
The same procedure can be done in case of religous organization which christian organization fits the timeframe : 1879 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD -1921 AD - 1935 AD - 1942 AD .Only the International Bible Students and their successors Jehovah's Witnesses !
All others will be majority - " many" . While if we consider one organization it wil be a minority - " a few " .