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Absurdity in the Bible

by darth frosty in

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not to diss anyones beliefs, i thought this was humorous.. .

absurdity in the bible .

if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.--1 cor.14:38 .

First thing , not everybody can understand the Bible and if you have doubts about the verses of the Bible simply admit in your heart you don't understand but there might be some people already in the world who understand them. The Bible is the reflection of the infinite mind of God and it is difficult to understand and it may take years or even centuries to understand some of its verses.

The fact there is so much division or confusion on the matter of existence of hell- whether it is or not - should already send shock waves through our bodies and cause us to pause and think how complicated the Bible can be.This is not an ordinary book and it should be so as it originated with the Creator of the endless universe we live in .

The book of Genesis 1 should not be understood the way most people do ! They make a horrible mistake not knowing it is a description of the vision God Yahweh gave to Moses in 7 days from 40 days Moses spent on the Mount Sinai.

The days given in Genesis 1 are the days from Moses' time when he lived and stayed on the Mount Sinai ! God Yahweh did not create the universe in literal 6 days ! The vision of creation lasted 6 days !

So ,what we see here is a total reversal of human understanding on the creation ! For centuries mankind was in denial ! People had no slightest idea that Genesis 1 is a description of what Moses saw in 6 days .

The literal creation based on my calculations using the Bible is over 15 billion years ! The scientists can tell you almost the same !

6 days x 7000 years as one day with God x 360 days in a prophetic year x 1000 years for each prophetic year = over 15 billion years !

God Yahweh continues His creation of the universe as new stars are being created so He cannot rest ! The rest given in Genesis 2.2 cannot be then a literal rest you think of ! It was symbolic and it was shown only in a vision ( like in a movie ) to Moses for a purpose.God Yahweh never rested and rests and will never rest as He upholds the whole universe every second and continues His creation of the universe.It is an on-going eternal process with no end !

Who are you to criticize the Bible ?! You may not have understood the Bible completely what does it say !

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Mary imperfect, Jesus perfect

by heyfea in

my husband never ceases to amaze me with the things he asks me.

yesterday night he asked me: why was jesus born perfect when mary was not perfect?

i said to him that it should be the same as having a surrogate mother.

OBVES

Adam was a perfect human being and became after he sinned imperfect . God changed his perfect status into imperfect. So ,the same God could easily reverse the process and make Adam a perfect being again. How easy it was then to give a perfect life to Jesus in the womb of Mary. And also note the term perfect can have various connotations. Jesus was in every way like us but without sin. Having the same human sinful nature he did not commit a single sin .It was possible only by God's power and guidance.

This may sound strange how he could have a sinful nature if it was certain in adavance he would not sin at all. It depends then how we look at that .We al humans have inclinations to sin and we sin but Jesus had inclinations to sin but did not sin .He had to be born of the sinful imperfect human mother by the way to inherit that sinful nature.

It was by God's decision that the death and sinful inclinations came upon all human beings after Adam . So it had to be by God's decision to reverse that by one man who is Jesus Christ.

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Do you believe history repeats itself? What does that mean for JW's?

by oompa in

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why is my jw faith so vacant?

it could have to do with the fact that wt's official position on the bible is that is has been altered over time, and they have done their best to "restore" it the way they think it must have been, despite have zero manuscript evidence to do so.

but this only got me studying more in depth the history of jw teachings, and caused me lose faith in the bible.. what can you conclude if a religion has made literally hundreds of changes to its teachings in just over 100 years?

OBVES

There is no single preacher of the Bible infallable today ! Since the time God Yahweh gave us the Bible , all christians must rely on the Bible as the Infallable Word of God and do their best to understand it correctly.The Bible remains the same while our understanding of the Bible may undergo changes with the passing time. At present we live in times when the understanding of the Bible is much better than it was 100 or 50 or 30 years ago. The Bible used back then can be used today ! No changes in the Bible but changes in the understanding the Bible. Don't complain about changes the Watchtower made . This could be a good sign . It could have been much worse if they were not responsive to the need for changes. The Watchtower made changes and remained the same . I have made more changes in my faith life !

I changed my religion from catholic to being an independent christian in a very fast way and in a new religon I have also made many changes in my views and I am happy to have done that in a much shorter time than the Watchtower did !

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question about 'sealed book"

by bite me in

quote: "only this organization functions for jehovah's purpose and to his praise.

to it alone god's sacred word, the bible, is not a sealed book.

" the watchtower; july 1, 1973, pp.

OBVES

This has to be a peculiar chronology that is secret to most people of the world like codes in the army are being established.

What is important to me is how in the world the Watchtower who is so criticized by so many people came up with the chronology that my independent calculations confirm ?! I am not from the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and I use Luke 9.49-50 exactly in our times as happening to prove God's Salvation Plan and that we live in the end-times.

I am using a special formula of 666 as 6+6+6 in the form as 18 years and its reversal when read from right to the left in the Hebrew .

18 -- 81 BC - 18 years = 63 BC 63 BC (6x3=18)

63 BC - 26 or 28 years for God's numerical value of His name.

63 BC - 26 years = 37 BC 63 BC - 28 years = 35 BC The average date is 36 BC ( 3x6=18)

36 BC - 18 years = 18 BC + 46 years as per John 2.20 = 29 AD (2x9=18)

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD ( 3x6= 18 ) 29 AD - 18 years = 11 AD 11 AD - 18 years = 8 BC

81 BC - 11 AD = 91 years 1920 AD ( 2x9-18) + 91 years = 2011 AD

Check the publication : Babylon the Great Has Fallen at the back for the chronology the Watchtower gives there for the period 81 BC-36 AD which dates they have .

The dates : 1037 BC -1034 BC - 1027 BC - 607 BC - 537 BC - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1994 AD = 3030 years

Each day of a symbolic week has 1010 years as we can conclude from the past !

4027 BC + 6060 years = 2034 AD + 1000 years + 10 years = 3044 AD 4027 BC + " 7 days" or 7070 years = 3044 AD

437 BC + 420 years which is "7 Times " = 37 BC 435 BC + 420 years which is "7 times " = 35 BC

30 or 35 years can be added to make up for the time delay in the Jewhish prophetic calendar : 37 BC + 30 years = 7 BC

37 BC + 35 years = 2 BC.

70 weeks of Daniel 9.24 can like this one: 457 BC-455 BC - the average date is 456 BC + 70 weeks as 420 years + 35 years + 70 years = 70 AD

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question about 'sealed book"

by bite me in

quote: "only this organization functions for jehovah's purpose and to his praise.

to it alone god's sacred word, the bible, is not a sealed book.

" the watchtower; july 1, 1973, pp.

OBVES

We must establish an ideal order of things in which we can see God's perfect plan being executed in a timely manner.

I have dates : 7 BC and 2 BC any Messiah who would come with the best teachings by came in 9 BC I would flatly reject his claims ! I would go by time limits - a timeline that is based on the Bible.Any person born outside the dates 7 BC and 2 BC would be disqualified by me .
So we can see what the established timeline means in overall picture of salvation by God Yahweh.

God Yahweh - GOD --- Jesus Christ - God - 144000 servants as gods .And we must identify the timeframe for Christ and his 144000 followers and through them God Yahweh leads people to salvation.

You have to have the strict timeline to point the Bible is applicable to our times as I can easily prove from the Bible it was written for the people that lived up to the year 106 AD ! I mean the Holy Writings that were in circulation back then.

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question about 'sealed book"

by bite me in

quote: "only this organization functions for jehovah's purpose and to his praise.

to it alone god's sacred word, the bible, is not a sealed book.

" the watchtower; july 1, 1973, pp.

OBVES

It is important as we have plenty of christian groups - each claiming it is right in God's sight .Once the timeline is established we can see clearly God's salvation plan for our times.

8 BC - 7 BC - 3 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD has its reflection in 1878 AD-1879 AD-1883 AD-1884 AD-1914 AD-1918 AD-1921 AD.

Only one christian group fits this timeline : the International Bible Students . And then we look for which next christian organization is its legitimate extension .Jehovah's Witnesses ! They hold on to the name Watchtower that is linked to the year 1879 AD.

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The Future of the Watchtower Society and the Internet

by DT in

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it seems that the watchtower society was very ill prepared for the advent of the internet.

perhaps, some of the governing body thought the end would come before it became a big problem.

now it is a big problem and is only going to get worse.

OBVES

If you know my posts from some usenet discussion groups the internet served me very well as you can see . I am not from Jehovah Witnesses organization but I am sympathizing with them as they clearly surpass other religious organizations. I am not saying they preaching without mistakes but they are the number 1 from all religious organizations as a whole.

Any time you go from them you have to find the better replacement : the better religious organization not according to your thinking but according to what the Bible says.

If my prediction of the end of the present evil world order comes true in 2011 AD the future for the both : the Watchtower and the internet looks fantastic in God's Kingdom.

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Has anyone read Ronald Weinland's Book: 2008 God's Final Witness?

by tsar_robles in

http://the-end.com/2008godsfinalwitness/2008_gods_final_witness.pdf.

one thing that he mentions in this book (page 76 par.

1) is the belief that the 144k and the great multitude are the same; meaning john is first given a number and then he's given a visual.... pretty much the same conclusion that my wife and i reached on our own and that we later confirmed with one of leolaia's research topics regarding the 144k.

OBVES

If you are present on this discussion forum for quite a few months you should have noticed I have come up with the end-time era that is based on the ancient times when Christ and his first disciples lived and preached. There is no room for Ronald Weinland in the end-time sign as in Luke 9.49-50. Testimony of Jesus must be respected and shows who are the true end-time prophets. Revelation 19.10.

One small group of servants united in one and one independent servant who is not against that group. And they are all linked together in time pattern as I have presented.

There is no room for Harold Camping who is predicting the year 2011 AD just like me . He is much better than Ronald Weinland I could listen to Camping's Open Forum program for hours and I have plenty of audio tapes with his teachings .Right now I hear his voice from tape !

I have Ronald Weinland's " 2008.God's Final Witness" . I advise any one to read his book and compare what he teaches with my posts and the books by Harold Camping. As Weinland puts his reputation on line this year we will have the final answer this year and I believe he will be disappointed .The situation is bad with the United States that could well play into Weinland's prediction of the demise of the United States within one year but I doubt it will happen in one year. But Weinland has other pronouncements who are to take place later this year and we shall see what is going to happen. Some teachings Weinland has are pretty good in my view . I recommend reading his book.

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who are the jehovahs witnesses and why do they refuse blood transfusions.

by chikikie in

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/the-big-question-who-are-the-jehovahs-witnesses-and-why-do-they-refuse-blood-transfusions-399129.html.

my sister renaii will get cross with me, just found and read this whilst looking up serena williams, didnt know she was a jw!.

OBVES

It must be considered from many points of view. Suppose the Watchtower is dead wrong on the issue of blood transfusion . I mean it will turn out to be wrongly understood though they thought otherwise . The mistake can be easily recompensated as we know today all small children will come back to live in the future. In death there is no elapse of time and from the eternity point of view the gaps in lost time like 100 years or 49 years are meaningless.

Also most children who continue to grow turn out to be rebellious in their later lives and many go the way of perdition. This would imply it would be better off to those children if they died in childhood as they would come back to life in the future and be saved or have a chance to be saved in the Paradise.

The blood was sacred for the Jews. To show that Jews had other foods to eat and it was not fitting to eat blood in such instances in ordinary life to show respect to God Yahweh for life and appreciation for the blood that has life in itself. The blood transfusions came into the world scene in our end-times. In extremely situation when eating other foods is not possible or woud not help to keep a person alive then using the blood to save that person could be allowed exceptionally. This view would allow the blood transfusion today to save a life. Because eating other food would not help to do just that. But with this view still we may encounter some problems.

Jesus was speaking about his blood saving life .Why he did not give some blood to drink to his disciples instead he gave them the fruit of the wine. Ah,he had to die first . If so why after his death his blood was not taken from him in small amount to keep it as it was life giving blood ? But the saving power of blood consist in fact that it had to be poured out for our sins not by drinking it. I wrote much ealier a post on the issue of blood transfusion . It is not so easy to solve . The Jews were known to rather risk their lives than to eat the sausages with blood in them when threatened with death !

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who are the jehovahs witnesses and why do they refuse blood transfusions.

by chikikie in

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/the-big-question-who-are-the-jehovahs-witnesses-and-why-do-they-refuse-blood-transfusions-399129.html.

my sister renaii will get cross with me, just found and read this whilst looking up serena williams, didnt know she was a jw!.

OBVES

If you know my posts I am an indpendent servant of God using Luke 9.49-50 to justify my position and I don't have to be in the opposition to the small group of united servants whom I find among Jehovah's Witnesses.

How we look and criticize Jehovah's Witnesses they still remain as the best christian organization and they fit into the end-time pattern as I had presented on many occasions.

The issue of blood is very controversial from many points of view. If I told you not eat the soup from the dish you see on the table I would expect your total obedience . You should not even desire to eat the soup in your thoughts or try to find some other way to eat that soup .

If the drinking blood is understood as forbidden in the Bible and someone wants to perfectly obey that rule he should do all possible in his power to abstain from blood in any form . We must bear in mind that God Yahweh is life-giver and has power to raise the dead.

Our present life is short and if we look back whether we are 30 years old or 78 years old all past is like one lump of past time the same to all of all . And the most important thing is to secure the prolongation of our existence by putting our trust in God of the Bible.

Many people opposing Jehovah's Witnesses on blood seem to not belive in life after death ! This life is all there is in their belief. No wonder they will look differently on the blood issue.

The same people don't realize how many lives Jehovah's Witnesses save . Millions of aborted babies die worldwide each year. How many crimes are committed by those who produce tobacco that causes thousands of deaths each year on this planet.

If a child of truly believing Jehovah's Witness dies from parent's refusal of blood this child will go to sleep in which there is no time lapse.It is like sending his own child abroad without seeing him or her for a while and then the believing parents will see their child again living !

Death is like a deep sleep when you lay your child to bed.

When I look back on my life I wonder how fast these years went past and see how many years I have wasted that it really doesn't matter now how many years I lived. Listening to the music I can completely forget all my past and live the present moment alone !

And it happens commonly as we in a given moment of our life don't think about past at all but think about what we see , hear ,feel now ! Here lies the basic reason for us to hope for the everlasting life .Not the past life but the present and the future life is what really counts and is our driving force. Since God Yahweh can give us life everlasting we can know when He acctepts our faith we'll be able to repeat our life cycles all the time . The present we are now is going to be the past in a moment and so on.

The basis of our life is the Present and the Future .And only God Yahweh can fulfill this cycles of life for His worshippers.

In the eternity it will not count if I lived 1 000 000 000 years or 1 000 000 076 years.

Don't worry about children of Jehovah's Witnesses ! They may seem to loose some time for a child but it is nothing when compared with the eternity. Think about yourself if you are not loosing your life completely forever ! This would be a hoorible loss as you have wasted a chance to live forever and that is much more than 1 000 000 children of Jehovah's Witnesses who died as a result of refusal of blood transfusion by their parents. They will rise and live while you may be dead forver.

The lost eternal life is not 1 000 000 children x (say) 100 years of possible life extended with blood transfusion !

The etrnal life is more than 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 and it is only life of one person saved . While 1 000 000 x 100 = 100 000 000 only .

And that 100 000 000 years lost will fade away when the eternity sets in !

Michael Jackson a Jehovah's Witness ? This is controversial in my view ! As I myself would not allow people "worship" me as an idol for the world pop music ! Simply I don't see in the light of the Bible any Jehovah's Witnesses in a role of an idol !