Posts by OBVES

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Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? in

i've been considering the teachings of the 144k by the borg and am wondering why they allow women to partake especially considering revelation 14:4 which pretty much says the 144k are men who are virgins.

have any of you given this any thought?.

OBVES

I wrote post on this subject you can check it by checking my post history.

On this doctrine Jehovah's Witnesses are in some error ! All 144000 are menservants ( men) and to understand that you have to know how God Yahweh chooses His servants.

At issue is predestination .

144000 can be derived from: 400 years in slavery in Egypt x 360 days in each year .

400 x 360 = 144 000

Read carefully Matthew 25.31- 46.

Matthew 25.40 : Christ and " the least brothers of mine " are in the middle ! Not on the right side.

They are brothers, not sisters

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studies in the scripture

by candidlynuts in

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i've been reading some of the old jw books that are available on google books.. this has probably been shown before but i just seen it and thought i'd share.. .

this is pages 7 and 8 of studies in the scriptures volume 1.. i think anyone who is working towards baptism as a jw should have to read these older texts..just so they can recognize.

centuries of education supression and focus on sales.

OBVES

You should look how the Bible is understood in our present time. New understandings came into view. This is what is written in Daniel 12.4 what is happening before our eyes today.

You will be frozen in time . Get into action . If we can prove we live in the end-time it must end some day and we should be eager to find it.

You may have less than 4 years to find it that if you read my earlier posts.

Have you heard about Ronald Weinland who is predicting the end of the USA soon ?

Have you heard about Harold Camping who is predicting like me the year 2011 AD. Check him out in his views it will be a good test for you.

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The difficulty of recovering from JW teachings

by DT in

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it's difficult to free yourself from years of cult influence.

i'm concerned that i may still be suffering from hidden assumptions that i haven't considered.

i'll have to examine my thinking for the rest of my life, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.. it would be easier if we could reject everything we were taught, but that's not really possible.

OBVES

It's easy to find out if you read my posts I published on this forum. You will feel regrets you left them when you realize no other religious group can be put in their place.

Just try to find one .Get a very interesting book " Religions in America" and I wish you could get the same as I have . I have found by the presentations given there that Jehovah's Witnesses are the best that are given in the book.

I have profusely explained where do they stand in our times.

You should get involved in studying the end-times.

Harold Camping wrote two books you should have :
" Time Has an End" and " Wheat and Tares ".

Also get the book by Ronald Weinland " 2008 .God's Final Witness ".

You must have an idea what is going now in the predictions concerning the end of the world. It is there where the action is taking place now.

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How do people continue to buy into the Watchtower???

by integ in

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folks,.

with all the information out there, available for all to see; exposing the lies,hypocrisy, and outright ridiculousness (is that a word?..if not it should be) of this whole witness religion, how in the world are people still buying into this?.

is it because i don't have jehovah's spirit anymore?

OBVES

If you know my end-time chronology from my posts you have a good reason to accept Jehovah Witness organization as the only one that stands out from any other christian religious organizations. Bear in mind you have to put another christian group in place of Jehovah's Witnesses if you are against them. You will not find a one that is my understanding based on the Bible.

You would have to fit your organization into the end-time chronology which I have posted .Or you may try to come up with your own end-time chronology and we can compare which one is better based on the Bible .

You most likely would have to beat up Harold Camping in his explanations of the end-time in his two books: " Time Has an End " and " Wheat and Tares ". And also there is another serious contender Ronald Weinland with his two interesting books on the coming end : " The Prophesied End -Time " and " 2008.God's Final Witness ".

You may notice if you belonged to Jehovah's Witnesses and now you are out that you most likely have lost the way of the end-time predictions ,being disoriented what is going on .The fact is the true christians must be deeply interested in the end-time predictions.

Chances are that if you are not interested in the coming days at most and you have read my post you will be not ready for if the end comes. You have to know the time to watch - Luke 12.39 .And you can know the time by not what and when you think unless you are a true christian and it is given by the Holy Ghost .

It is not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost that is in you - Mark 13.11.

"Be ready therefore ,because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you think not ... but the Holy Ghost that is in you !"- Luke 12.40;Matthew 13.11,34-35;Isaiah 28.9-10

If the end is to come soon we must have had true christianity well for over 100 years or so . And the starting date is 1878 AD. We have 1879 AD,1884 AD,1891 AD,1914 AD that follow after.

106 AD + 1772 years = 1878 AD 119 AD + 1772 years = 1891 AD

Where did I get 1772 years ? From the number 2772 which comes from God's name : YHWH in the present alphabetical order in the Hebrew is like 11,6,7,6

11X6x7x6=2772 2772 = 2520 + 252 . Instantly I can see two times " 7 Times" here .

2520 years and 252 years . And also I can see this: 1772 years + 1000 years = 2772 years

We must have a period of 120 years passed for the end of the world to take place just as it was during Noah's days- Genesis 6.3.

1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD

Harold Camping came to the 2011 AD prediction in a different way.He calculated that the Noah's Flood took place in 4990 BC . 4990 BC+ 7000 years ( 7 symbolic days ) = 2011 AD

Note a huge discrepancy ! In my chronology the date is 2492 BC.The year the creation of Adam was finalized was 4027 BC.

4027 BC + 6000 years = 1974 AD + 37 years = 2011 AD

2011 AD + 23 years = 2034 AD 4027 BC - 2034 AD = 6060 years 2034 AD + 1000 years = 3034 AD 3034 AD + 10 years = 3044 AD The whole symbolic week for mankind is 7070 years ;each day 1010 years.

1037 BC + 3030 years = 1994 AD which can be detailed in this way: 3 years + 7 years + 420 years + 70 years + 2520 years + 7 years + 3 years . 7 times = 2520 years = 252 years = 420 years = 70 years = 7 years.

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Lengthening the "Conclusion of this system of things."

by Cynisister in

hello, i'm new, and for the present must put on the appearance of a loyal witness for the sake of family, but by patience is wearing quite thin these days.

more about me at another time.. has anyone noticed that the wts has once again changed the meaning of "generation" in the newest watchtower (feb. 15, '08 issue)?

they are connecting it in a weird way to the brothers of joseph.

OBVES

The explanation is simple if you read my posts . We have to reconstruct the times when Christ and first christians lived and had the true religion.

Not only the year 1914 AD but we can go back even farther !

7 BC = 1879 AD 2 BC = 1884 AD 29 AD = 1914 AD

106 AD = 1914 AD 70 AD = 1950 AD 36 AD = 1984 AD 29 AD=1991 AD

The end-time generatio will be the true christians that are intimately linked with the Bible. The Bible was not yet compiled when Christ and his disciples lived . The originals were lost so we have the Bible alone to rely on. And how to prove that Bible is for our times which turn out to be the end times? By calculations based on the Bible - check my posts.

1879 AD + 66 years for 66 books of the Bible = 1945 AD 1945 AD + 66 years for 66 books of the Bible = 2011 AD

The Bible can be like a witness -we see the two witnesses in the period 1879 AD - 2011 AD.

Note that a 5-year old child can rememeber some important events from their lives. 1914 AD - 5 years = 1909 AD

1909 AD - 2008 AD = 99 years

We have right now some more than 10 000 000 people on the face of the earth who are 99 years old.Could be much more - you can check it by using Almanac and I will do that to check if I gave a good estimate- and we have great medical successes now concerning the prolongation of life .Say we have only 100 000 people . When the year 2011 AD there will be many people still living that were born before 1910 AD.

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

OBVES

To doubt is is a crime ! Just ask yourself if God Yahweh really is as Obves presents Him as the Creator how in the world He allows me to live on in this world ?

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Is the world really getting worse?

by Wordly Andre in

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i don't have to tell you how jw's use the line about how the world is just getting worse and it's a sign that we are in the end times.

what is your thought on the world?

is it really getting worse, or does every generation say that?

OBVES

If some insist in visible clear sign the world is getting worse ,I have a good convincing proof and the science and statistics can confirm that.

Smoking cigarretes and the damages it can cause to so many people . I am sick and tired of people smoking and having to inhale the smoke.

It happens that in the richest country on the face of this earth I have to run away from smoke and I am losing also time because of that. They smoke almost everywhere ! I cannot go quietly on the street as they lurk outside buildings and smoke goes far away . They smoke at the entrances to subway where I am passing by and the entrances to the stores where I shop and happens I inhale the smoke and I could go on . This craziness of smoking God Yahweh must stop it is beyond common sense .Look how many people smoke today and how many die because of smoke inhalation and what costs the governments must bear . How many homeless and hungry people could be spared if money spent on smoking were diverted ?!

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Blood Transfusions - Eating blood???

by Aphrodite in

i don't understand how the wt links blood transfusion and eating blood?

http://www.watchtower.org/e/hb/article_01.htm from their website, it is obvious that they can gain the conclusion from the bible that eating blood is wrong.. but from leviticus 17:1-16 10as for any man of the house of israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in your midst who eats any sort of blood, i shall certainly set my face against the soul that is eating the blood, and i shall indeed cut him off from among his people.11for the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and i myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul [in it].12that is why i have said to the sons of israel: no soul of you must eat blood and no alien resident who is residing as an alien in your midst should eat blood.. i don't see how they can turn around and say that blood should not be used for its propper use which is to flow through your veins and sustain your life.

it even says: "for the life of the flesh is in the blood.

OBVES

A few months ago I wrote a challenging post on the issue of blood on this Jehovahs Witness Discussion Forum. I learnt that the Watchtower changed its position on blood transfusion in 2004 AD. They allow for blood transfusion ? I am not sure fully as I may have not caught all aspects of that change . But I read a comment that a change came so late.

But whatever the Watchtower did the blood issue is a very complex one . One of the most difficult to solve as most points I can make are in favor of not allowing blood transfusions.

Your point is interesting but it has flaws .

Note that in the ancient times the plagues of hunger were common and the blood of animals poured or drained to the ground could have been used to make food products .In Poland I used to eat "kaszanka " which looks like sausage and the blood is used to make it .It was one of the best foods to satisfy hunger. So most likely thousands upon thousands more people could have been spared death in those ancient times than now doctors can save with blood transfusion !

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

OBVES

Not only All-Loving but the Only loving God ! This can be proven if we understand who is God of the Bible.The time will come God will prove to any human being that stays alive in the Paradise He is such as I say !

The first thing to know is that God Yahweh is always invisible and he penetrates the whole universe in every particle of it .If so you should already tremble, God Yahweh sustains everything that exists and moves. You want to be wiser than God just go out to a street corner when it snows and look how many snowflakes are falling down in front of you up to 100 yards away down the street ! And count them and know that every snowflake is not the same and God Yahweh formed them and directs them to the ground each and every one ! And who are you to cast a doubt on God's goodness and love and power ? ! You are already a defeated enemy for good !

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Is the world really getting worse?

by Wordly Andre in

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i don't have to tell you how jw's use the line about how the world is just getting worse and it's a sign that we are in the end times.

what is your thought on the world?

is it really getting worse, or does every generation say that?

OBVES

How can we know it ? Not by what evil people see but by what true christians see spiritually in the light of the Bible !There is a horrible situation spiritually as we had the revival of the true christian religion beginning with the year 1878 AD . The period of 1772 years : 106 AD - 1878 AD you can exclude from the process of determining were things worse in that period.

If you know my posts well I came up with the number 2772 years based on God's name that is reflected in numbers 11,6,7,6 in place of 10,5,6,5 as I explained. 11x6x7x6=2772 And here we go ! 2772 = 1772 + 1000

God's name has two parts if we know the name YAH and YAHWEH . YAH WEH

We can treat both parts as equal: 1772 = 1000

The symbolic period of 1000 years can be counted from 106 AD when 10 years as per the Book of Revelation 2.10 about 10 days ( 10 years ) ended.

96 AD + 10 years = 106 AD 106 AD + 1772 = 1878 AD

If you read my posts note the year 106 AD has the corresponding year 1914 AD.

We can treat a gap of 36 years as additonal count,knowing that we can add 36 years when "7 Times " has ended.

1878 AD + 36 years = 1914 AD 1914 AD + 36 years = 1950 AD 36 + 36 = 72 and look now at the number

2772 it has 27 and 72 .The 72 if read from right to left in the Hebrew looks like 27 !
So, now we can know for sure we are in the end time era : 1878 AD- 1914 AD - 1950 AD +

When Christ and his disciples lived and preached they had the Roman Empire and many Jews pitted against them but it was on a small scale . But in our times the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses and me have hundreds of nations ,countries pitted against the Good News of the end time as presented by us to the world. The situation is for sure much worse than it was when the ancient true believers lived !

There not world wars back then when Christ and his first disciples lived ! The wholy writings were not understood as they are now in our times ! And despite of that fact so many people stay in the darkness ! It is a horrible situation.There is such ignorance on the part of those who don't want to come to God Yahweh that it is high time that God destroy most people from the face of the earth.