Posts by OBVES

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More Evidence that Jehovah Is a Tyrant

by WTWizard in

i have observed that jehovah god is far from the loving father he portrays himself to be.

stifling my sex drive, and then exploiting it by using it to get me into a cult, hardly qualifies god as being loving.

and neither does continuing to stifle the sex drive after i am trying to leave the cult and quite likely using the hounders to reclaim me as their slave.. i found another web site that any theist should urgently look up before looking into any religion, whether jehovah's witnesses or any other "christian" or islam religion.

OBVES

No other single human being in the past knew God Yahweh better than Jesus Christ who did many more good things than any other human being on the face of the earth ! And yet Jesus humbly confessed " Why do you call me good ? Only God is good "-Matthew 19.17.

Many claim the Bible can be interpreted in many different ways ! So why these folks who try paint God in a wrong way can't interpret the Bible the way it will picture God of the Bible the most favorable way to His name and keep their faith untouched ?

God Yahweh according to the witnesses who knew Him is Almighty God and He created the endless universe and controls each and everz particle of it and knows everything. You could not lift a hand without God moving all particles in your hand !

The fact that you blaspheme against God Yahweh and you can still live and do the things you want to do are thanks to the love and power and wisdom of God of the Bible.He should have destroyed you instantly before you spoke any word against God.

But here is a clue why God calls somebody who denies Him a fool !

Either God Yahweh exists for you or not .If He exists you are a sure loser as there cannot be any argument with God who created such complex universe and directs any part of it ! And He is the only life giver for eternity .

The other side of the story is no one should argue with somebody that doesn't exist for them ! It is arguing with the empty air and that is foolishness according to God of the Bible.

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could jw's prove their beliefs without watchtower literature?

by atpeace in

i was pondering this question today.

i thought it might be an interesting tactic to use with my family.

if i simply asked that they prove all beliefs by the bible alone.. growing up - every time discipline or counsel was given - it was based on getting out the bound volumes.

OBVES

If you one of the reasons to leave the organization was the doctrine on Christ as a God you made a horrible error ! And how come you were a Jehovah's Witnesses not knowing this that the name gods is ascribed to great people in Israel- Psalm 82.6 .

If Christ is the First Son of God so he must bear the title of God .

We read this word in the context it appears.

To see a difference YAHWEH is GOD but Jesus as God.

There is only one GOD .

There is only one SAVIOR .But read Obadiah 1.21 there are saviors mentioned there !

We have to agree the apparent contradictory words as there cannot be contradictions in the Bible.

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could jw's prove their beliefs without watchtower literature?

by atpeace in

i was pondering this question today.

i thought it might be an interesting tactic to use with my family.

if i simply asked that they prove all beliefs by the bible alone.. growing up - every time discipline or counsel was given - it was based on getting out the bound volumes.

OBVES

This is a special question to anyone who thinks the Watchtower is useless to Jehovah's Witnesses .

Can you prove from the Bible your beliefs ?

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could jw's prove their beliefs without watchtower literature?

by atpeace in

i was pondering this question today.

i thought it might be an interesting tactic to use with my family.

if i simply asked that they prove all beliefs by the bible alone.. growing up - every time discipline or counsel was given - it was based on getting out the bound volumes.

OBVES

It is easy as ligth of a day on a sunny day.

Once the Bible is proved it is for our times which is the first step then we reach to Mathew 24.45-46 about the faithful servant that feeds his flock. There must be a flock that listens to the servant and if the Jehovah's Witnesses have organization they are in and agreed to be in they must feed on the faithful sevant who must be the remnant of the class of 144000 and they have in their ranks those who claim to be from that remnant.

If they believe there is no literal hell they should easy find the verses in the Bible to prove what they had been fed in by the remant that studies the Bible and base its views on the Bible and let others in the organization to know what they learnt.The Watchtower that is a ruling organ and has memebrs from that class of 144000 are teaching what they can prove from the Bible so the other Jehovah's Witnesses should do the same .

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The mark of the beast

by Lady Zombie in

jw
friends

since the rev book is being studied currently, one particular newish, but 100% believing (i assume) witness expressed her anxiety about revelation 13:16-17.. 16: "and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead,..".

17: "and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.".

anyway, after the book study was over and the chit-chatting started, the sister scooted up to the conductor and asked, .

OBVES

Many making a horrible mistake by looking back to the times whe the understanding of the Bible was in the beginning stages and those studying the Bible who were of the true christian faith were like babes .

We are looking for the best understanding of the Bible that is available in the present time.

The collecting food for the end-time is so not so correct especially in our times when the Great Spiritual Tribulation ended in 1999 AD and we should have very peaceful times till the very end and the year 2011 AD is the latest best prediction for the end of the world.

The mark of the beast 666 applies to those who are against the teachings of the remnant of 144000 class of servants and the best period was 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1992 AD - 1999 AD.

When we establish the periods for Christ and his 144000 servants we have two periods of 108 years each.

3 BC - 29 AD - 36 AD - 119 AD = 108 years = 1883 AD - 1991 AD

108 + 108 = 216 which is 6x6x6 ( "666").

Those who oppose Jesus Christ and his bride of 144000 menservants and teach others the same incur the mark "666" upon themselves.

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* Name a reason people wont make it through Armegeddon *

by FlyingHighNow in

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friends

let's start a list of reasons why you were told, or overheard people telling, won't make it through the big a day.

i'll start.. 1. they don't take showing up for cleaning the kingdom hall seriously and never show up.

i overheard a sour puss old elder say this to his wife after he just gave a scolding talk on it.

OBVES

Those who are covered by the end-time timeline of God's salvation plan.

1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD

Read my posts to learn more about this timeline . How I came up with it and whose teaching work God Yahweh approves of according to this time plan of salvation that is based on calculations using the Bible.

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Jehovah's Witness---ARE THEY ENJOYING THE SABBATH?

by Terry in

according to the bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years.

adam was created in 4026 b.c.e., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 c.e.

we are in the great 7,000-year rest day of god, starting at the time he rested after the creation of adam and eve.

OBVES

They show how perfect God is in His workings that things happen exactly as God had established in timely fashion.

The numbers in the Hebrew were written as words so we must study the numbers if we must study the Bible.If we interpret the words so we have to interpret the numbers in the Bible.

By using the numbers and decoding their significance I can know why the Sabbath of 1000 -years is still in the making for the future to come and now we have a shadow of that Sabbath in each and every day of a life of a true christian.

The numbers help us to prove the Bible is applicable to our times and that we must have the true christian faith and can identify those who have it !

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E-mail to JW Ex-Wife: What You Can Learn Researching the WTS in 3 Hours!

by Seeker4 in

i posted a thread earlier this week about a conversation i had with my jw ex-wife.

the next day i sent her this e-mail.

one should never be afraid of ideas.

OBVES

If you read my posts on my understanding the Bible and the end-times you can find that they are at this time the best organized christian religion. Can you find another church on this planet earth that is better in line with what the Bible teaches?

Many of those who left Jehovahs Witness organization as a result of the failed 1975 prediction jumped from the frying pan into fire !
Have you heard about Harold Camping from Family Radio Stations,Inc ? He doesn't agree with Jehovah's Witnesses basically but how he interestingly preaches about the Bible and I who side with Jehovah's Witnesses could listen to him for hours .

Read posts on this forum made by some former Jehovah's Witnesses and compare what they are writing now with what Harold Camping teaches alone.

I am astounded when I check Friends section and see how difficult is to join in the discussion as I see many topics are way out of what truly believing christians should write about.

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Jehovah's Witness---ARE THEY ENJOYING THE SABBATH?

by Terry in

according to the bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years.

adam was created in 4026 b.c.e., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 c.e.

we are in the great 7,000-year rest day of god, starting at the time he rested after the creation of adam and eve.

OBVES

Many people make a horrible mistakes by looking back on how people understood the Bible decades ago and they don't take time and energy to search for the latest understanding of the Bible.

The timeline the Watchtower gives is not all perfect but still one of the best and reliable.6000 years had passed from Adam in 1974 AD . Even earlier one year and yet this 6000-year period stands today .

The day as I had explained is 1010 years.

So we must locate the 6060 -year period.

If we take 1974 AD we need to add 60 years that will lead us to 2034 AD.

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Thank you, Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society!

by David_R in

i wanted to say thank you to the wbts for enforcing a 'no-contact' rule on all those that have left the organization.. only by experiencing first-hand my former best-friends treating me like a complete stranger (see 'garbage') for standing up for my own beliefs was i finally able to tell the society 'good-bye' forever and not feel guilty about it.. i know this was not the wbts's intention from the alienation practice.

it's intention was to make me feel guilty and lonely enough to come back to them.

however, it has backfired on them and finally given me my freedom.. thank you, society, for lacking kindness and understanding.

OBVES

If you know me better from this forum and some usenet discussion groups I have a new set of religious views based on the Bible and I am siding with Jehovah's Witnesses and their predecessors : the International Bible Students . This is in line with Luke 9.49-50 that allows the existence of one indpendent servant of Christ who cannot be against that small group of servants Christ accepts . We have in our times such small group of servants who claim to be the remnant of the class of 144000 chosen servants.

Harold Caming without a shadow of a doubt is the most gifted preacher the world had known since the ancient christianity disappeared but outside the true circle of the christianity in my view.He has some excellent ideas that put him above all very known preachers known to the people of this world. His predicton for 1994 AD already put him well above. Only Ronald Weinland can be taken into consideration for his interesting explanations of the Bible besides Harold Camping .

They are not friends of Jehovah's Witnesses but I am ! And this way I am confirming the testimony of Jesus Christ he gave about that single indpendent servant . He was not against that small group.

The end-timeline that I came up helps us identify all great servants of Yahweh and Jesus Christ in the end-time we live.

I am a vivid listener to Harold Camping's Open Forum program and I have a lot of tapes with his program and I could listen for hours and days without feeling bored. I consider him as the best opponent to my views and the views of Jehovah's Witnesses . He is against Jehovah's Witnesses while I am with them .

We must stick to Luke 9.49-50 !

There are not individuals there given each preaching on his own being indpendent ! There is only one who is outside the small group of united disciples and this must be again in the end times.

Matthew 24.45-46 the faithful servant can be one individual that feeds some other people and the other left possiblity is a collective servant - a group of servants united as one that feeds the sheep that under their care.

There cannot be Harold Camping, Obves and Ronald Weinland - all predicting the end with their own distinct teachings -acceptable to God at the same time ! Or more indpendent servants acting on their own ! Luke 9.49-50 allows for one indpendent servant who cannot be agains that small united group of servants- a collective body of disciples united in one, in one organization they guide and feed.

If you are not from the class of 144000 you cannot be a preacher to nations on your own .As one indpendent believer,in hostile attitude to the servants as per Luke 9.49-50 you are in a very risky situation.

Harold Camping seems to have gotten the right date 2011 AD , the 7th month Tishrey but he is against Jehovah's Witnesses whom God Yahweh approves . Camping most likely would tell you that you are a in false religion.Try to call him and learn what he is teaching and compare your views to his and see.

The end-time era didn't begin with Harold Camping or Ronald Weinland it began in 1878 AD - 1914 AD when Camping or Weinland were not yet born but there were true christian servants then already . And who they were ? They were among the International Bible Students. Who continues their preaching work today honorably ? Jehovah's Witnesses.

Especially if you oppose Jehovah's Witnesses you cannot be on your own in believing in God . God gave us the order the things are being done . Luke 9.49-50 is a classic example .