It's just og. No capitalization necessary. You don't have to worry about Xenu. The little twerp has promised to ignore me several times.
Posts by og
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178God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Questions to ask the Dub at your door
by ozziepost inwhen you next have a visit from a dub, what will you say?.
perhaps you should have some quickfire questions ready to ask them.
1. how come jesus kicked satan out of heaven in october 1914, at the end of the gentile times, when satan had started ww1 to distract attention from the kingdom's establishment around july 1914 ?.
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My question: While claiming to speak in God's name and to be his sole channel, the Watchtower Society has often made dogmatic predictions about the future, without once being right. What definition of false prophecy does this not fit?
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How many here are still active JWs? If not.....
by Leander inwhen did you leave?.
what prompted you to doubt/leave the organization?.
for those who are still active, do you plan on leaving soon?
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Leander: Man, you are where I was a year and a half ago. I knew that not only had I been a chump for listening to the WS, but also realized that the Bible is just a book, and certainly doesn't come from God, unless He has Alzheimers. Some thoughts:
Leave quick, or fade away? - I met with the elders a few times, exchanged letters with the society, got a braindead response, and stopped going to meetings. I was fairly prominent, and eager to live free, so eventually a committee was formed accusing me of apostasy. I met with them once and turned in a DA letter and that was it. I don't believe in fading away, mainly because you aren't going to save yourself much pain, you're just going to spread it out. By DAing, there's a chance you can do some good, get some people thinking. If you get DFed, the assumption will be that you committed immorality. A clean break is good, good for you and potentially good for others.
Re: the Bible - If you still feel conflicted about this, try reading "Who Wrote the Bible?" a clear explanation of the documentary hypothesis. Settled any doubts of mine that it's just an old book, with some good parts and some foolish parts - and some evil, bigoted parts.
Re: wife - Well, we're still married, but it's not perfect. But it never would have been, as soon as I became an unbeliever. Look at it this way: maybe you can save her by your example. In a weird way, a lot of the reasoning that gets applied to you when you're becoming a witness applies even more now. If you take a stand, you might help her. Are there kids involved? If so, you have even more reason to stand firm.
Re: friends - I built up my relationships at work, discovering that I worked with some really cool people. I did this first, and it helped a lot. I have also met with a therapist about a dozen times, and that has been great. It's worth doing, imo. I had a lot of depression and bitterness to work thru - I guess I still am. I also looked up some friends that I had dropped when converting - they've been great.
Good luck. The only way out is thru, and it does hurt at first.
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Statistical projection for Canada/2002
by RunningMan inwell, we are nearing the half way point in the service year.
although it is still early, we may be able to get an initial projection of this years service results for canada.. publishers for this year and last are as follows:.
sep 106131 105056. oct 107971 108076. nov 107668 108499. dec 108331 106595. jan 108799 107097. avg 107780 107065 increase of +0.7%.
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"BS Conductor", "BS Study" - LOL
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Just be Prepared .....
by VitoJW in.... if they are climbing the ladder types, or want a notch in their belt, they will try to persuade him to wait for the co visit... then they will "delete" him instead.... giving themselves a fine pat on the back for not allowing any leaven to corrupt the flock.... trust me...... i've been there.
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What is really needed is a show of repentance. "Oops" just doesn't cut it mister.
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Arguing theology and using the bible as a reference is like arguing about who's better, Lou Gehrig or Ty Cobb and using baseball stats as reference. You just can't settle the questions that way, the available information does not align with the questions being asked.
Oh, and Xenu, you're a boring little asshole who leads a pointless life.
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By the pricking of my thumbs....
by Xander in...some ancient wisdom this way comes?
pulling over from another thread.... i'm curious how many have dabbled in witchcraft/spiritism after leaving the jws.
or, perhaps, before joining.. i'm curious what experiences have been had.
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Syn, my post specifically did not rule out unconscious influence. All I can add to that is that cards would come up that seemed so incredibly specific that I had a hard time attributing it to just unconscious influence. For the record, I am not a superstitious person, am fairly rational, and believe in scientific method.
Even if tarot is just a way to access the unconscious... well, that's something, wouldn't you say?
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My husband is stepping down tomorrow night . . .
by Prisila ini'm extatic .
my husband is stepping down as an elder tomorrow.
how do you guys think that will go?
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When I first tried to step down as a MS, after confessing that I was having a hard time believing the party line, I was asked not to resign while they tried to work things out. They were so insistent on it that I acquiesced, with misgivings. Later, I came to feel that they had some direction from the GB, and were trying to keep the removal option open. I finally wrote a letter and resigned definitely. Your husband should be prepared to do this as well.
I don't think they like resignations...
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By the pricking of my thumbs....
by Xander in...some ancient wisdom this way comes?
pulling over from another thread.... i'm curious how many have dabbled in witchcraft/spiritism after leaving the jws.
or, perhaps, before joining.. i'm curious what experiences have been had.
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I tried out tarot, and the I Ching. It was frustrating. I came to feel that something directs divination methods like these, but whatever that something is, it is only intermittently interested in me. Its agenda was not my agenda. Otoh, I certainly felt no sinister presence, just a benign indifference. And I do not rule out some interaction wtih the unconscious, rather than something specifically supernatural.
I dabbled partially to get rid of that feeling of being a witness still. I also smoked a few cigars (something I still do on occasion, played poker and slots, and checked out some porn. I think you have to be your own authority for everything, including the supernatural.
Love the new pic Xander. Spooky.
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Running into JWS
by WildTurkey ini ran into a jw couple last night at wal-mart, when i saw them i thought damn, i wish i would have seen them before they saw me.
but anyway we talked for a few minutes, and i was trying real hard to think of a reason to get out of there.
as i talked to him, i could tell he was dying to ask me, why i stopped going to the kingdom hall.
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I can fantasize can't I???
You certainly can!