greetings from the ``here we go again'' department.
while worldlings have only the song of the robins and the bloom of the daffodils and crocuses as harbingers of spring, jehovah's people and readers of their literature can always count on two more: the annual ``don't partake!
'' article in the watchtower, and the yearly exhortation to ``make nice at the summer's assemblies'' in the km.. in the case of the latter, the tone and content of the annual scolding is unbelievably demeaning to any responsible adult... being told to dress nice (suits and ties only, please, for the men and deresses only -- not too short ladies) not to abuse complimentary breakfasts, pool privileges and generally avoid rowdiness at the hotels where they stay-- all laced with clearly fabricated -- not to mention unattributed-- quotes from ``worldly observers amazed by our fine conduct.''.
Funny stuff! But made me feel blue, because I can vividly remember giving this damn talk a couple of times, and getting all stern, and wondering out loud how long Jehovah would put up with this stiff-necked people...
God, I was such a frigging idjit...
...some ancient wisdom this way comes?
pulling over from another thread.... i'm curious how many have dabbled in witchcraft/spiritism after leaving the jws.
or, perhaps, before joining.. i'm curious what experiences have been had.
My two cents...
First of all, good thread! Interesting, reasonable posts, and with an ex-jw link in most posts. With all the flaming going on, it's nice to see a thread doing things right. Also, it makes me wonder if leaving JWs has a statistically significant link to interest in paganism.
Second, I've had a few interesting experiences: precognitive dreams, visualization that produced exactly the desired result, some accurate premonitions, and some highly useful/accurate tarot card readings (read the cards for myself). Nothing earthshaking, otoh I haven't put that much energy into it, what with being a JW.
Third, and last for now, I find the problem is not with the event, that is, not with what happens, but with the interpretation of the event. For example, people feel a presence, and decide it is a demon, or a ghost, or an alien, or Xenu... Why not just work with what happened? A presence was felt. Great. Was it useful? Scary? Can it be felt again? You get the idea - don't use the phenomena as proof of whatever you started out believing. In most cases, there is no way to prove anything.
Fourthly, and really last for now: all non-normal phenomena seems to hover on the edge of proof. There always seems to be just enough evidence to convince those with direct experience, but never enough to convince others. It's weird. Michael Crichton, in his book Travels suggested that such phenomena may be state-dependent, that is, dependent on the state of the experiencers, in much the same way that your experience of food depends on the state of your hunger. Made sense to me, and worth thinking about.
i know this and i've known this for a pretty long time.. sorry to youse who want to receive a different message than what i offer.
you will get what you want from those who give you what you want.
i have no problem with that.. there is a place for me to play.
Farkel, I lurked for a long time, and your posts were something I always looked for, probably a reason I stayed with this board and eventually registered. Even if you become less regular here (which is certainly understandable) I hope you post occasionally. Thanks for much thought-provoking discussion.
i' so tired of this.
sometime, i'd just like to say goodbye cruel world but, it would be too easy to do this.
when i was in the borg, they were telling me that when someone go out of the org, he have a lot of problems and that's exactly what happen to me.
Hey, please, hang in there. It gets better.
Try to find another therapist. Some are way better than others.
hi guys,.
i'd like to pose a question to the board, but first a bit of background about myself:.
i come from southern england.
Examine the Bible first - I certainly feel that there is no reason to accept it as being from God. Try the book "Who Wrote the Bible" as a starting point.
i am from barcelona, spain and i recently bought a computer and got on the internet.
i was searching for jehovah's witnesses as i am one of them.
i found this site.
Spiderman, if you really want to have intelligent discussion, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and go to
http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
and read just about everything, especially Alan's material. Will save much time.
i was just wondering if you have a movie or some movies that have given you the creeps.
did you see it as a jw or after?
do you watch " demonized " movies now?
Seven.
...some ancient wisdom this way comes?
pulling over from another thread.... i'm curious how many have dabbled in witchcraft/spiritism after leaving the jws.
or, perhaps, before joining.. i'm curious what experiences have been had.
I tend to agree that synchronicity and divination are similar phenomena, and differ somehow from seeing spirits in the manner that Sirona mentions. As far as how the deck is "prepared", presumably the shuffling and cutting allow for selective arrangement and selection. But remember, I also don't rule out something beyond unconscious influence. If you are getting interested in this, you should also be reading skeptic sites (put Skeptic's Dictionary into google for a starting point) for a measure of balance.
i started on some research to expose the cult that xenu is trying to sneak on to this board "raelians" and i think i might have come across something that will be of interest to all of you.
i will address the information that exposes xenu's cult the raelians in another thread but at this time i wanted to bring this very interesting information on this thread to see if anyone has heard of this.
the group is called the international federation of religious and philosophical minorities (known by its french acronym, firephim) and is devoted to defending the cause of nrms.
Dave, what is the provenance of these clippings? Is there a legitimate news organization behind it, or is it just words on a web page? I have reservations. While I no longer have any respect for the borg, joining such a group does not seem like their style. From what I know of the Bahai, I find mention of their name fishy as well.
And a word of caution, though perhaps I am being presumptuous: the internet is fertile ground for conspiracy theory, and much devotion to it is wearisome to the flesh, to coin a phrase. there is a continuum of theory, ranging from the obvious to the insanely paranoid, and it can be hard to tell where one fades into the other.
well i finally ordered crisis of conscience.
even though i've been da'd since 1989 the truth is that i always considered it to still be the truth up until a couple of years ago when i started researching more through sites like this.
i never got around to getting my hands on that book though, and now can't wait until it arrives.
What helped me with the guilt was doing some of the 'forbidden' stuff. Turns out I like a cigar now and then, and catching up on all the great R rated movies of the last years has been pure joy.
