One of the movies listed in the 25th WFF is Witness Underground (2021).
https://wifilmfest.eventive.org/films/606cb94ab0d9a500449ec095
LostintheFog1999
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25th Wisconsin Film Festival
by LostintheFog1999 inone of the movies listed in the 25th wff is witness underground (2021).. https://wifilmfest.eventive.org/films/606cb94ab0d9a500449ec095.
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Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?
by Fisherman innot a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
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LostintheFog1999
My tuppence worth is this.
"Soon". What does this mean?
I used to use the scripture in Psalms back in my JW days in the ministry "and just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more...."
Only once was I asked by a householder "when was this written?" and "don't you think that it's a failure in view of the time elapsed since!?"
Soon. Just a little while. It can mean whatever you want it to mean, or it could mean nothing at all.
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What Would Grandfather Say Now?
by LostintheFog1999 inmy late grandfather believed he was one of the anointed.
that aside when asked about whether the jw organisation would last, he would pull out the attached wt magazine (the second edition) and say "if the day ever comes when the organisation asks for money outright, it will be proof that jehovah is not it's backer.
" that's how convinced he was that such a thing would never happen.. i often wonder what my grandfather would make of the modern organisation today..
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LostintheFog1999
My late grandfather believed he was one of the anointed. That aside when asked about whether the JW organisation would last, he would pull out the attached WT magazine (the second edition) and say "if the day ever comes when the organisation asks for money outright, it will be proof that Jehovah is not it's backer." That's how convinced he was that such a thing would NEVER happen.
I often wonder what my grandfather would make of the modern organisation today.
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Another American Church in the Spotlight
by LostintheFog1999 inhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/19/international-churches-of-christ-lawsuits-alleged-sexual-abuse?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab .
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Watchtower Doublespeak on Tolerance
by LostintheFog1999 inthis story is about a person who chose modern day paganism over jehovah's witnesses for obvious reasons.. it's the usual watchtower doublespeak at the end of it about what a tolerant religious group they are that annoyed me!.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-02-21/why-are-more-people-choosing-to-follow-paganism.
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This story is about a person who chose modern day paganism over Jehovah's Witnesses for obvious reasons.
It's the usual Watchtower doublespeak at the end of it about what a tolerant religious group they are that annoyed me!
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-02-21/why-are-more-people-choosing-to-follow-paganism
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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LostintheFog1999
BBC News - Several killed in shooting in Germany church in Hamburg
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2023-01-27--Civil Unrest!
by Atlantis in2023-01-27--civil unrest.
click image to enlarge.. .
https://postimg.cc/gxqvnfcq.
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LostintheFog1999
"Only certain elderly people get attention. They couldn’t care less if the others drew their next breath."
LONGHAIRGAL oh how right you are. I used to visit an elderly lady in the congregation when I was still in, she'd been in the congregation for around 7 decades, and before going to the nursing home had been very hospitable to others. She rarely got anyone from the hall other than my mother and I, and one other older brother. When she finally died I was asked by her only son to look after the funeral in the crematorium.
I remember being horrified when less than 6 people made up the entire audience. Her son, a former next-door neighbour, her social worker and a carer from the nursing home, me and my mother, and the elder I had picked to close with a prayer.
No doubt the rest were too busy banging on the doors of strangers than being present to honour the life of this dear old sister!
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My fade story - how it all started
by Gorb inin the 90's my fading begun.
it had a great impact on me, and took a lot of energy.
later on it gave me a much better life, also for my wife and children.
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LostintheFog1999
Thanks for your insight Gorb. Myself and my wife were both 3rd generation in. What started our fade? It's a combination of things.
Mostly I think it began with my becoming seriously ill while still serving as an elder and suddenly seeing how quickly things in the cong were rearranged and (because I was suffering with severe clinical depression) how quickly friends distanced themselves from me. I wasn't even copied in to minutes from the elders meetings. Later I learned that it was because a lot of negative comments were being made about me at those meetings.
A short while after my wife needed cancer treatment and again we couldn't get any help from the cong. It had us seriously evaluating "love is the identifying mark" .
As an elder I had served on judicial and appeal committees where accusations of child abuse had been made against certain ones. We saw elders taken off but never disfellowshipped, and the society's "protect the congregation and Jehovah's name at all costs" stance used to irritate me beyond belief. I would come home annoyed and vent to my wife, probably opening her eyes to things she wouldn't normally have been aware of in the organisation.
The new light on the overlapping generations bugged her, she said it was nonsensical. Why can't they just admit that they got things wrong!?
There were lots of things I had always filed away under We'll Wait And See. Michael the Archangel being Jesus? Why?Types and Antitypes nonsense to apply it to a crowd of people in Brooklyn. And a host of other things.
I started looking at "apostate" websites, and it was such a relief to realise that we weren't alone in our doubts. Up to then I had been wary because in the 70s two members of our family had read Crisis in Conscience and had left the Truth to join the Presbyterian church. They were shunned by the family and friends as a result. Ok, I didn't want to be treated as badly as they were. I now have a much better understanding of the struggle they must have faced and wish I could reach out to them (they both died a few years ago).
No longer serving as an elder following a second serious personal illness, it became very easy to slide gently into obscurity. We're out for several years now, fully active (as much as health let's us) in local community advocacy groups promoting the best for our local community.
My parents were Gilead missionaries. My wife's family were pioneers and served where the need was greater. Grandparents believed they were of the anointed class. Do I miss my times giving district assembly talks? Not in the slightest, at the time you thought you were special to have been picked, yet when I think about it now everything you said was from the organisation, you weren't allowed to diverge from the script. So I was only being a ventriloquist dummy for some faceless person in the Writing Committee in New York. It wasn't really me as it definitely is now.
I regret the years I spent serving a lie. Although, the public speaking training I received has helped me in my post-JW life. We have real genuine friends in the local community and good self-esteem. We are our own people and our blessed in so many ways that before we became POMO we genuinely could not have imagined.
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CSA Victom Speaks Out
by LostintheFog1999 ini happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week.
you feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced csa and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.. https://fb.watch/j1qacgxphi/.
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LostintheFog1999
I happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week. You feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced CSA and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.
https://fb.watch/j1QAcGXPHi/
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Depiction of Governing Body on JW org
by Listener ina topic was started over at reddit directing people's attention to a depiction on jw.org of the governing body.
it's not in their publication, only on the website under the topic of "what is the governing body?
but who are these guys in the depiction?.
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LostintheFog1999
Yeah, the picture only shows the top half of the men seated around the table.
We can't see how many of them are wearing tight pants below the table's level.