Thanks Barry, I didn't know that. That's probably where Russel got his ideas from, like many others.
Posts by Vidqun
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40Do any of you know of a religion that does not believe in the Trinoity?
by orbison11 ini have such internal conflict on the trinity,,,i do not believe it,,,i dont know if it is jw brainwashing.
or if logically thinking applies here.
help :).
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Do any of you know of a religion that does not believe in the Trinoity?
by orbison11 ini have such internal conflict on the trinity,,,i do not believe it,,,i dont know if it is jw brainwashing.
or if logically thinking applies here.
help :).
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Vidqun
The Muslims, JWs, the Jews, and I'm not sure about the Unitarian Church. Webster says they do not believe in the Trinity. You'll have to make a list of the pros and cons, for and against, and decide for yourself. There's a few interesting books on the origin of monotheism on Amazon. Its development was unusual because of the majority of nations being polytheistic. Amongst the Egyptians, it was only Akhenathon that would introduce the concept to his people.
Interestingly, the Jews had many religions, quite a few of them including a trinity. Yahwistic worship became the state religion, so the others were suppressed, but they kept on existing, especially amongst the northern Israelites. The southerners had Jerusalem and the temple, but even some of their kings deviated.
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ambition is not a dirty word
by snare&racket ini can't decide if it is based on jealousy, class or the watchtower.
that shameful cult turned the word ambition into a dirty word.
it made the idea of self reliance and self worth a tainted thing.
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Vidqun
Congrats Snare! Today ambition = survival. If you don't cultivate it, you're going to struggle to survive. Interestingly, the WT does use ambitious people when it suits them. At the assmblies they ask for registered nurses, doctors, etc. This is hypocrisy at its worst, and I hate hypocrites.
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Newby here
by 1009 ini am new here and briefly want to introduce myself.. my name is michel and i am from the netherlands.
became baptized when i was 14, started pioneering when i got 18 and i've been ms for a number of years.
i married another pioneer and after a while we joined a foreign language congregation.
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Vidqun
Welcome 1009. I also love the Bible, also have many translations and commentaries. And there's nothing wrong with the (young) human body in all its glory. For those of us that believe in God, the female form is a magnificent creation. Nothing wrong with us showing our appreciation. Looking forward to hear your opinions and views. Glad to hear you have found a woman that's compatible with you and your situation. I have tried marriage, but was not very successful.
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The truth just ain't the same any more.
by Julia Orwell inthis has been the sentiment of a few i know who have been full jws for decades.
they say the love is not there like it used to be, and it's become less personal.. anyone heard similar comments from oldies?.
we know the 'truth' ain't the truth in the first place, but i have a feeling there may be a lot of older ones hanging on just because it's all they've ever known, and it the alternative, that there is no paradise around the corner like they've always been taught us unthinkable..
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Vidqun
I think canning the Book Study also had something to do with it. Big mistake!
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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vid - there is no conspiracy theory. but there is facts and hard evidence that cannot be be argued against. where is your source to back up you opinion. Believe it or not, it is what I wrote. I have already done research on these topics a long time ago, and I wrote my research down in book form. You asked for confirmation of what I am saying, and I gave it to you. Are you an idiot, or what?
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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Vidqun
*lost*, here's a few extrabiblical uses of the Tetragrammaton. There's many more.
Extrabiblical use of the Tetragrammaton
1) The Tetragrammaton repeatedly appears on the Stele of Mesha`, king of Moab (ca. 900 BCE). This stele contains a text with the oldest Hebrew-Phoenician script ever discovered. This stele is of the utmost importance for linguists because it is the only remaining, historical monument of the Moabite kingdom. It contains an account of the historical relationship between Moab and Israel.... It reveals Moabite as a Semitic dialect, virtually identical with Hebrew, serving as proof of an advanced written language of an insignificant kingdom far removed from the historical routes of the ninth century BCE (see G.R. Driver, Semitic Writing, 1976, p. 109).
The text reads: “I, Mesha, the son of Chemosh-[....], king of Moab, the Dibonite.... Omri, the king of Israel, humiliated Moab for many days.... And I took the utensils of YHWH and dragged them before Chemosh.” (...w'qhh msm '[t k]ly yhwh w'shhb hm lpny kms). Cf. Is. 52:11. It is probably the earliest occurrence of the Tetragrammaton outside the Bible.
2) In the Semitic Museum of Harvard there is an eighth century seal with the inscription lmqnyw `bd.yhwh, “belonging to Miqnejaw, the servant of yhwh”. The name seems to be Levitical (cf. 1 Chron. 15:18, 21); the owner of the seal might have been a priest, serving in the sanctuary.
3) A funerary inscription of Khirbet el-Qôm (ca. 750 BCE), southwest of Lachish, containing the words brk 'wryhw lyhwh “blessed be Urijahu by yhwh.”
4) An inscription in four fragments, found at Kuntillat `Ajrud near the Sinai Peninsula, contains the words hhyb yhwh and the divine name “Ba`al” in Phoenician letters.
5) The Tetragrammaton is freely used in the Lachish Letters (ca. 600 BCE). They consist of 18 ostraca with formulae, containing the Tetragrammaton. The text is written in Old Hebrew characters. One of the ostraca (nr. IV) reads: “May yhwh make my lord hear good news soon (ysm` yhwh 't 'ny s[m]`t slm `t kym `t kym) ....we are on the look-out for fire signals from Lachish....” yr' yhwh 't 'dny 't h`t hzh slm “may yhwh allow my lord to enjoy good health”. The general OT formula hhy yhwh “As yhwh lives!” also appears in these, once with Biblical spelling and once with an eccentric spelling hhyhwh. This form hhyhwh (=hy yhwh) indicates that when two identical letters appear next to each other, they are often written as one (scriptio continua), even when they were part of two separate words, or in case of haplography. The name also occurs in the context ybrk yhwh ’t ’[??] y, an unexplained passage, and possibly also in a badly damaged portion of a text.
6) The Arad archives contains two references to yhwh, the first in an introductory greeting `l 'dny 'lysb yhwh ys'l lslmk (lines 1 - 3), “To my lord Eljashib; may yhwh seek your peace” (lit. “ask after”, probably equivalent to “grant”; cf. 1 Sam.1:28 and a similar formula in Aramaic), the second in lines 7 - 10: wldbr 'sr swtny slm byt yhwh h' ysb, “And as for the matter concerning which you commanded me – it has been settled. In the house of yhwh he remains.”
7) The most difficult of the pre-exilic uses of the Tetragrammaton occurs in some wall inscriptions from Khirbet Beit Lei, a few miles from Lachish. Inscription A, as given by Cross, reads: [']ny yhwh 'lhykh 'rsh `ry yhdh wg'lty yrslm, “I am yhwh, your God, I will accept the cities of Judah and I will redeem Jerusalem”. Cross reads text B as follows: nqh yh 'l hhnn nqh yh yhwh “Absolve [us] O merciful God; forgive [us] yhwh”. Text C reads as follows: hws` yhwh, “Deliver [us] yhwh”.
8) The remaining occurrences are limited to Aramaic texts of Egypt. Two spellings of the divine name occur. yhw (usually in papyri) and yhh (once in a papyrus, otherwise on ostraca). The spelling yh, attested once, is probably the result of the fading of original yhw. Both variations occur in theElephantine Papyri (ca. 500 BCE). These Aramaic documents inform us of “a Jewish military colony” on the island Elephantine on the Nile, opposite Aswan. There existed a temple where the God yhw was worshiped. Two people are mentioned in the text, khny' zy yhw 'lh', “priest of the god yhw”. The term lhhn servant of yhw possibly refers to a religious office.
Thus some 19 occurrences of the Tetragrammaton in the form of yhwh bear witness to the reliability of the MT in this respect; more may be expected, notably from the Arad archives.
9) Variations of the Tetragrammaton occur on coins (especially coins of the Maccabees).
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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Vidqun
I with Villagegirl on this. Too much conspiracy theories cause bad indigestion.
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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
by *lost* ingod's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
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*lost*, I'll go for the w rather than the v. Here's a few sources that point to waw, pronounced as w.
Waw (or wâw) : This is the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, being in the shape of a hook. In the Phoenician alphabet, the angle of the hook is even more acute. Waw is frequently used as a vocalic consonant (semi-vocalic consonant: w = û, ü or ou). It corresponds closely with the English w (- double u -) rather than the v (uâu, u = w; e.g., in was, wine; Driver SW 155.178f). This applies to yahwêh, the latter having been vocalized as yahua with an audible h. In compound names it was changed to –yâhû, the final a losing its emphasis, disappearing, and ua becoming û. In early Hebrew waw was pronounced as w. In late Hebrew a w that began a word or syllable changed to y (as in the pe-waw verbs and the verb hayâ itself). See written form yehyâh (=yehwâh) of the first century (cf. yeyâ of the Tiberian Targums) as well as pronunciation yâhyâh (cf. Ia.Ia of Isidore from the 7 th century). [i]
Edward Horowitz confirms that the sound of the letter waw is not v but w, and that waw is the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet (as in Hebrew), later becoming extinct. Jews of Yemen, Arabia, preserving the most pure, accurate, and ancient pronunciation of the Hebrew language, pronounced it as the English w (e.g., was, wine) as in Arabian, a close relative of Hebrew. [ii]
N.B. Pronunciation of above letters would differ in the early consonantal text and the later, vocalized MT. Vowel letters would play an important role in the pronunciation of the CT (up to 200 CE). After full Masoretic vocalization had taken place (from ca. 700 - 1100 CE) the vowel letters would lose their significance.
[i] F. Dietrich, in a letter to F. Delitzsch. See ZAW 1883-4, pp. 2 80, 293, 298.
[ii] E . Horowitz, How the Hebrew Language Grew, 1960 edition, pp. 29, 30.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
*lost*, sorry, I didn't follow the thread as I should have. I jumped in quite late. Nevertheless, your guess is as good as mine. There just isn't enough information to go on to come to a definite conclusion. Hopefully we will find out one day.