A lot of it has to do with the authorship of Kings and Lamentations. But to use this information to encourage the brothers to do research is ironic. If they research too much, they might get disfellowshipped. So I guess balance is needed. Only study the Society's publications. Bobcat, what say you?
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51Jeremiah Source Material
by Bobcat ini started this thread as a single place for anyone who would like to add references to source material, or anything else for that matter, pertaining to the jeremiah book study.. .
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here is a thread and numerous comments concerning jeremiah 13:1-11 and whether or not jeremiah traveled to the euphrates to hide a garment.. .
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Jeremiah Source Material
by Bobcat ini started this thread as a single place for anyone who would like to add references to source material, or anything else for that matter, pertaining to the jeremiah book study.. .
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here is a thread and numerous comments concerning jeremiah 13:1-11 and whether or not jeremiah traveled to the euphrates to hide a garment.. .
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Vidqun
Bobcat, it has been brought under my attention that the Jeremiah-book, under heading "Where is Jehovah?" emphasizes that Jeremiah "filled his heart with knowledge" (cf. Jer. 9:24) and that he "learnt from experience" (cf. Jer. 26:20-23). The readers of the book are encouraged to do the same. This is a wonderful lesson, but not applicable to Jeremiah's situation at all. Almost every chapter commences with "this is the word of Jehovah," "the utterance of Jehovah," or some similar phrase. Even though Jeremiah could have "filled his heart with knowledge" and "learnt from experience," he was not at liberty to take the initiative or form his own conclusions. Initially he was told "But to all those to whom I shall send you, you should go; and everything that I shall command you, you should speak" (Jer. 1:7). He was Jehovah's prophet and had to follow Jehovah's lead. Am I right or am I missing something?
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Final Warning Given Unto Mankind, Tribulation Is Near and Soon Cometh.
by OneTrueGod inverily, thus saith the creator of all things of life and light which are good.
behold the time of tribulation draweth near and is soon at hand; i am in the sun, and the light of the sun and it shall soon darken in the day you perceive not.. .
let this be a sign unto the world that tribulation cometh quickly, the day which darkens soon cometh upon the world.
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Verily, I dare say, the Good News (which is Bad News) from the venerable King James Version. Are you OneTrueGod, or do you just speak for him?
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Scripturally-Speaking, Do You Think First Century Christians Were Taught To "Hate" All Apostates???
by bjc2read inhere are some searching questions about the governing body's public position on the prescribed treatment of all "apostates" against the organization, as taught at the most recent summer assemblies of jehovah's witnesses, in the year of 2013.. in your opinion, why does not the verse (shown below) not apply to how jehovah's witnesses are currently taught to feel about "apostates," and their activities toward the organization?
the verses in question, are from the words of jesus who clearly said:.
"however, i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you that you may prove yourselves sons of your father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.
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Paul was criticized by “superfine apostles,” certainly an equivalent of a modernday apostate of JWs. No, he did not kick them out of the congregation, for he says his purpose was to “to build up and not to tear down.”
5 For I consider that I have not in a single thing proved inferior to YOUR superfine apostles.
6 But even if I am unskilled in speech, I certainly am not in knowledge; but in every way we manifested [it] to YOU in all things. (2Co 11:5, 6 NWT)
11 I have become unreasonable. YOU compelled me to, for I ought to have been recommended by YOU. For I did not prove to be inferior to [YOUR] superfine apostles in a single thing, even if I am nothing. (2Co 12:11 NWT)
10 That is why I write these things while absent, that, when I am present, I may not act with severity according to the authority that the Lord gave me, to build up and not to tear down.
11 Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace will be with YOU.
(2Co 13:10-11 NWT)
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My JW best friend is bringing a 'heavy' around to my house to talk some sense into me.
by Julia Orwell ini agreed, if only because i want to see my friend of many years.
the 'heavy' is a large, imposing man with a booming voice and is a creature of the gb through and thru (eg only visited his dfd dad on his death bed because it was a 'good witness' to the hospital staff) and i'm feeling stressed about seeing him.
i so badly wanted to see my friend though, i agreed without thinking and now wish i hadn't have.
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Vidqun
No, all this is never in vain. A year or two from now you will laugh at the absurdity of it all. But for now your example is inspirational, helping those who are lurking. Some have gone through it all, some are busy experiencing it, and some will have to experience something similar in the near future. I keep on marvelling that something as benign as the WT, can turn into such a monster. If you allow them, the hounders will hound you to death.
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My JW best friend is bringing a 'heavy' around to my house to talk some sense into me.
by Julia Orwell ini agreed, if only because i want to see my friend of many years.
the 'heavy' is a large, imposing man with a booming voice and is a creature of the gb through and thru (eg only visited his dfd dad on his death bed because it was a 'good witness' to the hospital staff) and i'm feeling stressed about seeing him.
i so badly wanted to see my friend though, i agreed without thinking and now wish i hadn't have.
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Vidqun
Sorry, Julia, there goes your blood sugar. Believe it or not, this type of thing is bad for your health. If you take your blood sugar and blood pressure when you're under such duress, you will get a big surprise. The body goes into "fight or flight" mode. This is to help you get out of such circumstances once or twice a year. But to allow your body to regularly undergo such punishment is bad news. This just touches on phsyiological effects, not even mentioning the emotional effects to those close to you. So, this type of confrontation should be avoided at all costs. And as you said, it is not worth the effort. As the general advice goes, ditch conditional friends and start afresh. Start enjoying your life. Do not look back.
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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Mrsjones, as we have learnt, it's all about planting seeds. Hopefully some will germinate.
Jgnat, I am sure there were some hemp seeds mixed in with those herbs!
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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A Watcher, my point is the GB as collective must take responsibility for all cock-ups since 1919. This is according to their own words. Amongst them are the UN/OSCE fiasco, the protection of pedophiles, Mexico/Malawi scandal, and many, many more. Methinks their sins are piling up to high heaven. I can see why you follow their direction. They are brave, brave men (or very stupid).
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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A Watcher, do you realize that you are faithfully following dead men? This is why:
Recently, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses has claimed the title “faithful and discreet slave” for themselves. This is a serious matter. When Jesus, as the master, returns and finds his slave to be faithful, he will appoint him over all his belongings. But when he arrives, and finds him beating his fellow slaves while imbibing with confirmed drunkards, he will be severely punished (Matt. 24:45-51; Luk. 12:41-48; cf. Rev. 18:3). In fact, he will be sentenced to death (Rev. 13:16 , 17; 14:9-12; 15:2; 16:2; 17:8; cf. 14:1, 4, 5).
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Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God. (Jam 4:4 NWT)
And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
4 These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,
5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.
(Rev 14:1-5 NWT)
I thought these scriptures go hand in hand. Note: Verse 1, they have the name of the Father and Lamb on their foreheads. [One cannot have the name of the Father and the Lamb AND the mark of the beast. Cf. Rev. 13:16. The GB of JWs don’t qualify. According to the Revelation Climax-book you receive the mark of the beast when you become involved with the beast.]
Verse 5: “and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.” [Again the GB of JWs don’t qualify. Theocratic warfare = lying, is a stock in trade for them.]