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  Miraculous news about my daugher, Ali

  by coffee_black in

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  it's a little over a year since my daughter was diagnosed with end stage congestive heart failure due to a virus.

  her dr. was talking heart transplant then.. i almost lost her 3 times over the past year due to complications.

  2011 was a tough year to put it mildly.

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  It's wonderful. A lesson for all of us to fix our diet. Shows you what proper eating habits can accomplish.
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  Pre-emptive shunning - a growing reality

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm scanning through some of the results from the 2012 jw survey as they're coming in.. the most populous of the six voting categories with 76 voters so far is my own category, for those who are inactive, or "faded/fading" (not disfellowshipped or da'd, but no longer reporting time on the ministry).. one statistic already leaping out at me surrounds the question "do you experience 'pre-emptive shunning' from active witnesses, who view you as 'bad association'?

  " of the 74 who voted on this so far, 76% have answered "yes" to this question.. it's early days, and obviously i will have a clearer picture of the extent of the problem once the survey closes at the end of the year.

  however, the results already in suggest that pre-emptive shunning is widespread among inactive ones, despite this not being an "official" policy of the society.. i was interested in your opinions as to why this may be?

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  Cedars, I have been the subject of pre-emptive shunning, so I have looked into it. You might call it freedom of association (but a bad form of it). They base their view on 2 Tim. 2:20, 21 (NW):

  20 Now in a large house there are vessels not only of gold and silver but also of wood and earthenware, and some for an honorable purpose but others for a purpose lacking honor.

  21 If, therefore, anyone keeps clear of the latter ones, he will be a vessel for an honorable purpose, sanctified, useful to his owner, prepared for every good work.

  So, one should steer clear of "apostates," "free thinkers," yes and the weak, for these might drag you down to their level, if you associate with them on a social level. I disagree with those that say it is a non-official teaching. It's official allright, and it crops up frequently in the literature.
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  What did you/do you think about at the meetings?

  by tornapart in

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  if you still go or remember the days when you did what did you think about while you were sat there?

  obviously it's very difficult to concentrate.. lol..assemblies i find impossible and have often drifted off to sleep, listening to the endless same old stuff.. .

  and i want some funny stories.. .

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  Vidqun

  I took a Classical Hebrew course, and read my Bible in Hebrew. It irritated the hell out the elders.
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  Was Your Experience As A Jehovah's Witness Good In Any Way?

  by minimus in

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  i was raised as a witness.

  i could've been raised as a catholic but my mother's side of the family came into "the truth" when i was an infant.

  i do believe that because of my upbringing, i was a more honest person.

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  I still believe in Jehovah God and the Bible, but not the interpretation of JWs. I was happy to belong to a group, comfortable in the herd (or is that circling wagons). But then I saw a documentary on lemmings, how the leaders took them over a cliff into the sea. Then I started becoming very uncomfortable, being part of the herd (the UN-NGO scandal had a lot to do with it). I believe each must work out his own salvation. As individuals we will have to render an account to God (Rom. 14:12; Phil. 2:12).
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  New one

  by freshcrepes in

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  i've been lurking on this forum for over a year, and i thought i'd say a quick hello.. .

  i was raised as a jehovah's witness and managed to endure past the encouragement that one receives from age 16 onwards about what is holding me back, and never got baptised.

  i figured that making one of the most important decisions of my life requires a lot more thought than people seemed to be giving it, and shouldn't be based on emotion as is quite common.. .

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  Welcome! I agree with the rest. Broaden your horizons, develop your brain even more.
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  My story up to present

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  IE 9. Check whether your Compatibility View is on (top, left hand corner).
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  The Purpose Of The Circuit Assembly, Is To Show How Much More We Can Do, or How Little We Do?

  by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why is it, the c.a.s are not upbuiling, and the whole bible is replaced with, "how to do more for jehovah!

  " talks.

  the "two day assemblies" are no.

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  I agree with Breakfast, CAs are not upbuilding at all. I usually feel bad and is in a foul mood after an assembly. Often it is because of their negative attitude towards secular education. No, there is definitely something wrong there.
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  Another day, another apostate. Here's my story.

  by I Want to Believe in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  been lurking for a bit, and feel safe enough now to tell my story (condensed).. i'm a third-generation born-in, but my parents were inactive for most of my upbringing.

  this means i got the worst of both worlds--no worldly friends (home schooled all but grades 2-3), no witness friends (since we never went to the hall except for memorial), and a generally isolated upbringing in a tiny, tiny town.

  needless to say, my emotional, social, and personal growth were stunted.

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  Welcome I Want to Believe,

  I am in a similar predicament. At this stage, this is how I reason. Perhaps God has removed his spirit from the Organization. They might have had it, but now there's none going around. The reasons: 1) Becoming an NGO of the UN. By this they have sacrificed their neutrality. They might have resigned, but have they repented by following the necessary steps? 2) Putting the reputation of the Organization before the welfare of their children: Pedophiles call JWs "pedophile paradise"; 3) Sinning elders are not removed, if it looks like "they have Jehovah's blessing." This because there is a shortage of elders, etc., etc., etc.

  Would a righteous God allow one to get away with such things? Think of what happened to the Israelites? God got rid of them on a permanent basis. Nothing has changed. What is worse, the "anointed" among JWs call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. They carry God's name. By their actions they dishonor it every day. According to the Law, if you dishonor God's name, you were sentenced to death.

  And if you read the Bible carefully, you’ll notice that there is trouble in store for those calling themselves God’s people, especially the anointed ones. Read scriptures like Ez. 38, 39; Dan. 8:13, 14; 11:40-45; 12:7; Zech. 13:8-14:5; Matt. 24:15, 16; Rev. 11:7, 8.

  Or to simplify matters, God promises that he will make all things new. Before making all things new, he has to get rid of existing structures, including that of the Witnesses (cf. Rev. 21:5). Also you know 2 Pet. 3:13 well where a promise is made of “a new heavens and new earth” wherein righteousness is to dwell. True righteousness will only prevail in God’s new world. That means there is no righteousness in this world, including the Watchtower organization.

  I believe each must work out his or her own salvation for “each of us will render an account for himself to God” (Rom. 14:12; Phil. 2:12).
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  Family Dinner

  by fade_away in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my wife and i decided to throw a little dinner for her parents and mine.

  they are all hardcore jws and my wife and i have been out for a little more than a year.

  her father has been innactive for years, but as soon as we decided to leave, her father decided to go full throttle jw.

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  Your father-in-law sounds like a sheep that cannot be away from the flock. He is dependant on the association. Some people are like that. They need to feel liked, that they belong, a person with a typical herd mentality.
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  I want to repeat this personal experience

  by cptkirk in

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  no need to go into details (if you want details then i'll give more) but just for the sake of brevity, i will state it succinctly.

  i just want to also note, this is not even one of crazier things i've seen with these people.

  i was at a meeting for field service ok...you know how they will have one guy take the group out, and he will ask questions about presentations and things like that right?

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  Vidqun

  Cptkirk, I can see why it must bother you big time. These are people that are supposed to be exemplary in their conduct. Well I have news for you. They are just as imperfect as you and I (no better, but sometimes worse). I have a simple answer for you. Some people think too much of themselves, contrary to what the Scriptures teach (Rom. 12:3). But what they forget, if you stumble someone, it's as good you are thrown into the water with a millstone around your neck. I don't say so, Jesus said so (Luk. 17:2). I also keep in mind, if something or someone stumble you, "cut it off" in a figurative sense. Rid your life of people like that. It's called freedom of association. This is one of the things we were taught by the Watchtower (Matt. 5:29).