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  How come you have to wait on Jehovah? Shouldn't he be faster than you?

  by dgp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if jehovah created the universe, knows it all, et cetera, and then he has a direct line to the governing body, how come you're always told to "wait on jehovah"?

  can a simple earthling be faster in his or her reasoning than yhwh?

  can s/he notice something jehovah will miss?.

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  "Wating on Jehovah" is code for: "We cannot allow a rank-and-file member of the Other Sheep Class looking smarter than the Governing Body." So, know your role and shut your mouth.

  This is the ultimate proof that it's all about worshipping the Governing Body and not a God. Why would Jehovah want anyone disfellowshipped for being right? Are we to believe the Almighty would want us to publicly accept something false simply to show subjection?

  A lie is the intentional misleading or deception of another. Satan is the "Father of the Lie". So, who are they actually telling people to serve by waiting on Jehovah?
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  Divine Flan of the Ages - Recipes for Disaster [with thanks to Punk of Nice!]

  by ziddina in

  1. social
  2. humour

  crap..... now i can't think of anything... .

  uh, wait a sec..... take one young upstart greenhorn clothing store magnate who reads the bible and has tons of arrogance and self-righteousness.. marinate him in a "doomsday" atmosphere, such as a "second-day adventist" environment, until he's thoroughly loopy.... carefully extract him from that stew and place him carefully in a special echo-box surrounded by yes-men,.

  throw in a few "end-times" dates, and let the whole mix simmer, occasionally adding a few suckers - er, followers, until the end time runs out - er, the timer runs out..... let him stew in his own juices, exposing him to a hot kitchen warmer as the embarrassment of his false predictions puts heat on him.... then bake in an oven of heated public opinion, due to his scandalous behavior towards an underage girl and his very public divorce.. serve with half-truths and contradictions.... next up - baked rutherford steeped in whiskey - gin - wine - beer - and whatever else you've got, that's alcoholic!!.

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  When prepare Cult Surpise, be sure to check cake pan for dents...
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  Psuedoscientific Things JWs Say

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i distinctly remember more than 30 years ago asking my grandfather how all of the races came about after the flood.. "well, noahs three sons were black, white, and oriental, and thats how all of the races came to be".

  wtf, i thought to myself, even as a 9 year old kid.

  a few years later i remember sitting in the kh listening to the sunday talk when the speaker went over the old "water canopy" theory, but of course presented it as fact.

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  Evertime I read info like this I ask myself, "How could I have ever believed this silly nonsense?"
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  And Jesus Answered Her Prayer

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this restores my faith in the divine.

  at last, a creator i can believe in.

  hallelujah.

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  I just read the hyperlink without clicking on it, stood up and yelled, "Praise Jesus!"
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  "Freeing" those "trapped" in the Organization.

  by curiouscynic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have family members who are still jws, many of you do as well.

  assuming your folks are similar to mine, they are, for the most part, rational.

  they are jws because they believe and they have a tremendous amount of scriptural knowledge, albeit of wts origins and with the expected bias.. if i chose to demonstrate, to my father particularly, the inconsistencies in wts ideology... he might just decide to leave.

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  During talks that he and I have had along those lines, he essentially said that he didn't WANT to know. He said that this [JW life] is what he's done his entire life and he didn't know what sort of person he'd be without it. In a nutshell, he WANTS to be a JW and would prefer to ignore evidence that disproves WTS theory.

  That is the sad, honest truth. One elder commented that if were proven that God did not exist he would still live as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a way of life and most who have spent the majority of their life in the organization are unable to cope with the idea of living with out it. Like many in our modern society, people want to be told what to do. Just like people who spend the years in prison, they are unable to function with freedom.

  Inmates are told when to get up, what to wear, what to eat, when they can walk through a door, what they can possess. Such institutionalized people are frustrated with life outside prison walls. They literally get frustrated when ordering food at restaurants and some will wait for permission just to walk through a doorway.

  The best way to help someone in the evil empire to decide to leave is to live your life the way you want to. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that non-Witnesses are miserable and those who leave are even worse off. Prove the teaching wrong by living a long, happy life outside the organization.
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  Does being a JW and having a felony up your value in the kingdom hall?

  by 2tone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe this has been previously been discussed.

  in my area in the us.

  it seems that jw men that are felons or have served time seem to have more value.

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  I hate to say it, but the OP is correct.

  I spent the majority of my time in the evil empire in a congregation that had 2 state prisons in it's territory. There were about 20 to 30 publishers listed on our congregation roster who were inmates in those prisons. Some were Witnesses prior to their conviction and some joined while in prison.

  First, the elders who regularly went out to the prisons to conduct meetings (sometimes doing so instead of taking care of their own bookstudy groups) would often use these convicted murderes, robbers, and rapists as examples to the congregation. It was as if these "brothers" were enduring due to The Truth. It always made me feel really good knowing my bookstudy overseer let us fend for ourselves so he could go conduct the bookstudy at the prison.

  Second, I was floored on how many sisters married these inmate "brothers" BEFORE the were even released. There was a 30 year old "brother" who robbed a bank and got 10 years. He was disfellowshippend and reinstated his first year in. Then, a 19 year old daughter of an elder marries him. There's nothing quite like spending the first 9 years of your marriage with your spouse in prison.

  This was yet another reason why I had to wash my hands of the evil empire.
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  Do YOU Believe That JWs Have A Huge Problem With Pedophiles?

  by minimus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i don't think there are more pedophiles in the religion than there are in others.. i understand that one is too many.

  but i think some believe that it's an epidemic within the organization.

  i believe their 2 witness rule can help pedophiles secretly abuse kids.. but i don't think that this particular crime dominates those in the religion.. .

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  As previously stated by posters on this thread; it is a huge problem based on how it is handled. Here is some faulty reasonning on the matter:

  "We are not concerned with whether a person is guilty or innocent, but rather whether or not they repent." - My former Congregation Coordinator

  Couple that with - 1) If the person is repentant they are forgiven by Jehovah. Therefore, you have to forgive them and 2) Keeping Jehovah's earthly organization's name above reproach and out of the newspapers is more important than protecting the well being of children.

  This all boils down to:

  A) If the child abuser says they're sorry they are forgiven.

  B) If they are forgiven by Jehovah you have to forgive them as well. Failure to do so could result in you being disfellowshipped.

  C) It's more important to maintain the organization's reputation than to protect children.

  D) Even if mandatory reporting laws exist, ignore them. You can pick and choose what laws to follow if you think a law violates a Bible principal. After all, you have to obey God rather than men.

  I've dealt with uncooperative elders who protected child molesters. I think that was the beginning of the end for me. The detective I worked with said that the elders she needed to testify were subpoena dodging and the trial date was coming up. I took the subpoenas and served everyone of them, personally. I only wished I could have done it at the Kingdom Hall during a meeting.
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  JW is union member for years....?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.clevelandbanner.com/view/full_story/16655276/article-tim-bailey-a-well-traveled-%e2%80%98country-boy%e2%80%99?instance=home_features.

  bailey, who had been transferred to bricklayers local no.

  9 in pittsburgh, retired in 2008. having remained a union member through the years, he receives a pension as a benefit.. .

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  truth_b_known

  There's no prohibition against being a union member. In my cases, if you accept a job you have to join the union. It's referred to as a "closed shop."

  Taking an active part in a union is another story...
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  Why the hell do I feel like this suddenly?!?!

  by freshstart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i saw a friend that is still a hardcore jw.

  she knows we're not going to meetings, but seemed pretty cool with it and was willing to have lunch with me, so i thought why not?

  she mentioned something about the convention coming up in a couple of weeks, and all of the sudden i got so nostalgic and felt like maybe i wanted to go.

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  I remember the conventions I went to a kid. Those are fond memories. It doesn't change my mind about how wrong the organization is as a whole.
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  Jesus loves American Football

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  what is your take on players in all sports who feel the need to connect their athleticism with god's will.

  tebow of the denver broncos is the latest in a long line of players who either thank jesus or point a finger to heaven when they score a touchdown or slam some guys head into a concussion.. oddly you don't see bowlers doing the same praise jesus dance for knocking over some pins, i guess its not that exciting to jesus .

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  truth_b_known

  Gridiron is the correct name for American football, which uses neither feet or a ball. It should be called handegg. Arsenal FC, the greatest team the world has ever seen.

  Real mean do not love Jesus. Real men hail Odin. That's why I love hockey.