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  United Nations Getting A Little On The Side...

  by messenger in

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  i find it interesting the new found love the wt appears to have for the un.

  in the two latest articles, july 22, awake and august 1, wt, they make reference to the good policies of the un and it's universal declaration of human rights.

  as my memory serves, the harlot represents babylon the great (aka, false religion, aka, all religion except jw's) that commits fornication with the wild beast (aka, un representing all kingdoms of the earth) does this bring on a "new light" adjustment in wt doctrine?

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  OrangeBlossom

  I remember a couple of years back, when I was first starting to doubt if "it" was the truth, I came across a web site. It was something like TWMC", which I later learned stood for "Two Witnesses Must Come" making these 2 elders the 2 witnesses. Actually, it was the first "apostate" site that I dared peek into and what caught my eye was that it described itself as elders looking for the society to reform (or something like that).

  Anyway, they even published a book which I found at the bookstore so I purchased it and read it.

  What was interesting is that it prophesied that the WTS would eventually support the UN.

  While I dismissed it as one false prophet calling another a false prophet, it did make for some interesting reading and took away the guilt that I had felt for a long time. Perhaps, some of you may remember the website.
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  Please Respond To Survey! 25 more needed please.

  by Big Jim in

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  it seems like to me the majority of people who are in the truth, are were in the truth was a result of either a family member are a friend witnessing to them and not many seem to have been found in the door to door work.. from my years of associating with the borg i cannot recall many coming in the truth from the door to door work.. how were you sucked in?

  for me it was my aunt who has now even though i am not disfellowshipped decided to write me out of her will to the tune of about $150,000.00 (maybe i should hang around a couple more years)dont think i will.. please respond .

  thanks.

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  OrangeBlossom

  I was born into it. My parents became witnesses in the early 50's. Someone came to my dad's place of business and left him a book to read, and as they say, the rest is history!
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  disfellowshipped elders reinstated

  by jnc in

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  would appreciate any info or experiences on this subject.... a brother is disfellowshipped, 2 years later reinstated, five years later disfellowshipped again, immorality, 4 years later reinstated, becomes elder, 8 years later runs off with pioneer 16 yr old , divorces wife , dumps girl, remarrys 5 years later, appointed elder again, i believe due to the buddy system, how many times do'es a person have to be disfellowshipped before they say no to any priveledges let alone being an elder again ?

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  OrangeBlossom

  There was an elder in our area (moved away but still an elder) who scammed a lot of witnesses in a bad investment deal, fooled around with one of his co-workers (also a witness), they both got df'd, his wife forgave him but he chose to marry the girlfriend, and was appointed an elder after reinstated (not sure how long after).

  The interesting thing about this is I remember a WT article a few years back that stated that a brother who committed adultery would still be considered an adulterer until his former wife remarried and therefore could never be recommended as an elder as long as he was an adulterer. This guy was serving as an elder at the time. His former wife was still unmarried and would have taken him back. Does anyone else remember this article?

  I remember wondering at the time how he could have been appointed in the first place, but especially wondered how he could remain an elder after the article came out. This same article stated that anyone with a pedophile problem could never be appointed as well.
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  Question for Tina

  by Maximus in

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  skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

  she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

  (starts with an a?

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  OrangeBlossom

  Maximus-I'm glad you had a happy Father's Day. I remember when Dad was still alive he got upset that we couldn't even celebrate Father's/Mother's Day. I was still steeped into JW belief's and trying to be loyal to the borg, I made sure that I didn't even call him on that day. Now I could kick myself. It would have meant so much to him. Whenever I think about what the borg has taken away from not just me, but so many others, I want to scream.

  So, I wish you a belated Happy Father's Day in memory of my own dad.

  P.S. Do you think he knows?
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  Heroin Overdose=Daughter=HELP!

  by patio34 in

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  i'm having a crisis in my family and really need some advice and even (((())))!.

  background:.

  daughter is 28-yrs-old.

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  OrangeBlossom

  I'm not in a position to offer advice, perhaps someone else will post something that can help you.

  But I can offer you my sympathy for what you are going through. This must be an extemely difficult time for you.

  Please keep us updated.
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  When do you move on?

  by OrangeBlossom in

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  i was talking to my brother last night on the phone who walked away from the borg in the mid 1980's.

  i asked him if he ever checked out any ex-witness sites.

  his reply was basically, no, since he's moved on past his time served in the borg.

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  OrangeBlossom

  I was talking to my brother last night on the phone who walked away from the borg in the mid 1980's. I asked him if he ever checked out any ex-witness sites. His reply was basically, NO, since he's moved on past his time served in the borg. He spent a couple of years at Bethel.

  I told him that I felt like this place was an outlet for me since I'm technically still in and a great way to vent.

  I was just curious about how long most of the posters here have had doubts about the org. I know from reading past posts that some left several years ago while some are still trying to get out without losing everything.

  What is the average length of time someone spends here before they move on?
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  Just leave us alone!

  by HoChiMin in

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  has anyone ever heard of or used the angle against the wt that a minor never actually made their own choice to join the cult?

  ( has not attended for 5 years since the age of 18) the reason i'm looking into it is i recently had a visit by a snake elder.

  he came to my home at 7:10am as my friend (ha) to encourage me to return to the meetings.

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  OrangeBlossom

  I don't think there is anything they can do to your son if he was never baptized. If he had ever been announced as an "unbaptized publisher" then they might make an announcement that he is no longer considered an unbaptized publisher. In some Nazi type congregations they may announce him as a "bad associate" although I think that is rare.

  I have a son in the same position. He is dating a non-witness girl but he was never baptized. He was at one time considered an unbaptized publisher but it has been years since he went in service so I think they just consider him a person of the world.

  I'm sure that each congregation is different as to how they handle this kind of situation. Where I'm from they could give a rat's ass about my children.
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  What do you make of this?

  by Copernicus in

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  i was wondering what some of you might make of this.

  a friend of mine who is still somewhat active just told me about something interesting that happened in his congregation a week or two ago during the wt study.

  a publisher raised his hand to comment and related an experience he had while doing magazine work in a parking lot (ugggghhhh!!!

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  OrangeBlossom

  Thank's for the experience, however, I doubt if we will ever see this one highlighted in the magazines.
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  Regarding the JULY 1 2001 Watchtower Article

  by AngelofMuZiC in

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  watchtower-july 1, 2001 article "do not let doubt destroy your faith".

  this article is stunning!!!

  the "spiritual gems" found in this article are in my opinion priceless.

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  OrangeBlossom

  Thank you, Joanne, for posting the highlights of this article. I'm sure that I will be approached by certain family members to read this. Now I can say that I have.

  OB
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  A funny thing happened at the book store

  by OrangeBlossom in

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  i recently ordered another copy of "in search of christian freedom" as i got rid of my first one (long story) and since it had been a couple of years since i read it, i decided to get another one.. since i live in a fairly small town, i decided to give a fake name, in case someone worked at the book store that might be a jw.

  it was saturday morning (a time when all good little jw's should be in field service) so i felt it safe to go pick up my book.

  i walk into the store and headed for the counter but was stopped in my tracks by an elder and his family.

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  OrangeBlossom

  "I'm almost to the point of saying to hell with it, I don't care anymore who finds out...."

  So true, I'm just hanging around mostly until my mom dies (she's almost 80) as it would kill her if she knew how I really felt. But as soon as she's gone, I'm coming out of the "apostate" closet.