you don't need balls to be like so and so all you need is a little chutzpah! Orangefatcat
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EXPOSING THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY ONLINE.
by Vinny ini still spend some time here and there exposing the wt society for what it truly is (a man originating, man run, high control religious cult-like religious institution), rather than what they tell people they are (god's appointed channel/organization/people etc).
the facts prove without a doubt that god was never behind any of this:http://www1.tip.nl/%7et661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm.
here is the link to that letter: http://newsblaze.com/story/20081209054218zzzz.nb/topstory.html.
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orangefatcat
that is so true, many witnesses don't report hours honestly. I use to accompany this elders wife in the service I would tell her I will be pick you up a 9 AM, I get to her house she is never ready not ever, she is just get dressed and fussing and then she goes over to the telephone and makes a call and then talks about 10 min. I meanwhile am furious as I want to start my service time also. After her call she says we can now start our time. I said our time, and she yes, that was a return visit. I thought to myself how can she justify that as the beginning of her time, and I couldn't start me time as I didn't speak to her. Finally after waiting nearly another hour for her to get out her front door and me trying hard not to be annoyed We start to go on her return visits she has me go back and forth from one end of the town to the end and back and forth. I want to end my time by one she keeps me out to 5 pm or 6 pm . I take her home she looks at her clock and declares the number of hours we got in the service for the day. Of course she started her time from the phone call she made at 9 am but I couldn't say i started mine at nine, I started mine when we spoke with the first person and ended with the last person not when we returned to her home. I did this for months until I just couldn' t take it any more and just stopped going out with her. I would use any excuse so as not to go out with her. I would be so exhausted I kept missing meetings as I was so mind tired I needed to stop and rest and often fell into deep sleeps . So I missed meetings I think that she was n't honest with her time. I am not saying I didn't round off my time if I was 10 min. shy of my time. But I often witnessed to people and didn' t bother counting the 10 or 15 min. so it made up for the rounding off. that is how i did my service time and I feel I was honest in reporting my time orangefatcat
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Did you always know you might leave?
by jws inif you grew up a jw, did you always know you weren't going to be one when you grew up?
did you ever have that spark?
i don't think i always knew i wouldn't be one.
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orangefatcat
When my parents decided to become witnesses , I was really peeved, I was nearly 13 and was to be confirmed in the Anglican church. My grandma had already had planned with the priest for me to commence my course for the event. Well my father said to my grandma Terry isn't going to be confirmed no or ever, we are becoming JW's.
My grandma almost went ballistic she said your not going to make my grandchild a JW but she had no say in the matter. So I was yanked from the Anglican church, forced to study with a JW sister who was a prude and my mom and her locked horns.
I was angry because I was forced to give up the things I believed in to change in to something the JW wanted me to become. Now there were no more holidays birthadays or anyother happy times. just dull dismal times meetings preaching, meetings preaching and home bible study, personal study oh yeah I loved it really a whole bunch. NOT But what can a 13 yr old do, say no I am not going. My father would have killed me he had been such a violent man up until he started to sober up in 63 I hated him I didn't respect him, how do you respect a father who smashes and breaks everything you love and hurts everything you love and screams and hits you and throws things all over the house, And I was to love and respect this slobbering man. I don't think so mom. Mom wasn't much better, she went pretty much where she wanted to go she hung out in the city of Toronto with the beatniks and did drugs and was involved with occultism my family was pretty messed up and even trying to pretend to love my parents was a difficult task. I wanted my grandma more than ever, and she didn't live to far from us at that tme until my father moved us farther away from her.
I knew in my heart I was never deep deep down that I missed Christmas and I hated not celebrating the holiday I loved more than all else , I missed my great grandma and grandpa and grandma and the Victorian Christmas' we had they were so grand. I can't figure out how dumb my whole family was because every Christmas day I had a turkey dinner like my grandma make and all the trimming and I have out my tartans and pretty dishes and best china and all my red and green things and it looked like christmas and to me it was christmas with out the tree and decorations. They didn't see it or they did see it and ignored it. I think deep down in my moms heart I suspected she thought I might one day leave. Two wks before I left she spoke sternly with me and my spirituality. She said bluntly if I didn't start going out in the service and going to the meetings more regualarly I was headed for spiritual disaster. And then after that everything just went down hill. For the next two wks we didn't speak, I packed up all my belongings and purged my home and threw out nine green giant garbage bags full and my husband didn't even ask me why there were so many bags of garbage. I filled my closet full of my boxes, (we slept in seperate rooms) so he did nt have a clue that all my worldly good were already to go out the door with me in a f ew days.
The choice to leave was hard because I knew i could never speak to any of them again nad that is hard, but then on the other hand with the way my mom and youngest sister treated me I felt quite justified in leaving . My other two sisters live away one in Ottawa and well she is something I would rather not discuss and my sweet sister in Australia is the only one I really miss. we lived together in montreal and pioneered together. I miss her. She came back for a while when our father passed away in 95 and then ten months later they decided to return to Australia, which was really hard on me. we hugged and kissed and I think I knew at that moment I would never see her again and apparently from what my Aunt told me she took the news very very hard. I didn't want to hurt her or anyone but I was hurting and If I hadn't left iwould have ended up in a loonie bin I am sure of that\
Now free and happy and grateful to God I am a new person alive and filled with much joy I couldn't ask for more happiness.
love Ofc
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Blood Issue took my mom last night
by rwagoner inafter years of fighting a physical disability that ended in kidney failure and several bouts of respiratory/cardiac arrestmy mom landed in the hospital last week.
the doc's said she needed heart surgery and kidney transplants but before they could operate they need to get her blood count back up.
it had fallen well below what her body could naturally restore on its own she she needed transfusions.
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orangefatcat
Please accept my deepest condolances and sympathy for you loss.
I truly understand what you are going through. It isn't very pleasant having to come to grips with the lose of one we love so dearly.
Don't get run down now, you need to take care of yourself and allow yourself to grieve as this is very important. Tears are our pressure valve and if we keep them pent up we will only make ourselves sick. So please talk to friends and family members that will talk to you.
You are who you are, and I would certainly not change for any Jehovah's Witness to accomadate them or their feelings. This is your mom and your are their to pay your respects to her. If you feel your uniform is who and what makes you than by all mean go in full uniform not forgoing any part of your uniform or your weaponry. It all belongs to the set. if it makes the JW's cringe so be it, its your mom not theirs.
If your buddies are going to that is even all the more so to go in your uniform. If we are ashamed of what we are or have become since leaving the witnesses then there is really nothing to say. It is as if they have won. But when we refuse to bow down to their way of thinking or doing we prove we have the courage to escape a cult and become a survivor. And I know many are probably extremely jealous of you because many of them wish they had the chutzpah do leave too but haven't the courage and fear the consquenses of leaving. The threat of disfellowshipping, the lose of family and friends, JW's have it all down pat as to how they can punish its followers for any kind of disobedience thus the fear factor takes over and they contiune living a dismal life in the organizaition. Oh they may say they are truly happy but many are lying and hide behind a facade of that so called kingdom smile and yet deep down they rather be any where else but at a KH.
I can tell you are a proud man and have a good name and reputation and will honour your mom and your uniform and your country. So hold up your head high in that K H and don't let them think for one minute you are intimadated.
God be with you. And again my deepest condolances.
love
Orangefatcat
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Please read condemnatory email sent to me and help me reply
by AndersonsInfo ini received the following emails, one yesterday and the other today and thought you'll like to see an example of the positive and the negative messages i regularly receive through webmaster at my website, watchtower documents, llc, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.. .
here's the negative message:.
"i must say that after reading your biography, i am shocked.
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orangefatcat
Barb. You are indeed a true lady. And I may add courageous on top of that. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You know the words to say to this person but, sometimes a few ideas help put things into perspective. This teenager has no idea that as she ages her feelings will change, it happens to every teen, they just can't accept that right now, as one poster said you can't tell a teenager anything these days, they seem to think they know more about everything in life then us adults. Apparently we don't know much of anything. They are going to have a rude awakening someday. And this person is no exception life will be a real eye opener for her some day. She has demonstrated her immaturity already by going to your website. For if she claims she will never leave Jehovah or his organization then why is she going to websites that the Society has counselled the congregations to stay away from? Her words indicate to me that she may be around 13-16 years old baptized maybe at 10 and was raised a witness since infancy. She has certain attitude in her words. Its as if she is having to defend her beliefs but she has some doubts because she is searching for something and she may not even be aware of it. But she will not stay a witness in my opinion as she gets older, she is looking for some kind of approval of her beliefs at the same time she isn't 100 percent of the validity of her faith. I think what Awakened in Gilead said is very good and what Minimus said as well they are all excellent point. Yes its okay for the JW's to persecute every other religion but when the shoe is on the other foot they feel it is persecution from God's enemies, well who the hell made the enemies in the first place who took the first shoot. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES thats who. Tit for tat, but no the witnesses don't look at it that way at all, they look at it as if they are being persecuted for righteous acts. Well if paedophilia and deceit, lying , being involved with the UN and the numerous deaths they are responsible for then hey if thats the persecution they are getting I am all for it because those in the glass WaterTower are going to fall over and shatter to the depths of the ground below them. Gee I wonder who will clean up their disgusting filth of the street below. Orangefatcat
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orangefatcat
Dear Dan, Such tragic news, I am greiving for you, as I know the depth of your pain. It is not easy right now and now is the time to keep your friends and family very close to you. I will most defintely keep you in my prayers. I will also have you placed on our prayer list at our church. Please except my most profond sympathy and deepest condolances. Your Friend Terry Orangefatcat http://www.stgertrudefoundation.org/images/happy_cover_rev1.JPG As our Lord Jesus promised , I am the resurrection and the life and he who believes in me will live, even though he dies,and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? I hope you find comfort in these words. your friend Terry Orangefatcat
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Christmas 2008
by Wordly Andre infor those of you who are celebrting this year and have done so other years, do you find it kind of hard to get everything done?
i thought that money may be my biggest issue this christmas, but it's more about time, i still haven't even got my tree yet, just a couple days ago hung the lights.
this past week i only started getting boxes down, i may not go all out this year like last year just seems like not enough time.
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orangefatcat
OH I don't care how long it takes to get ready for Christmas, I have put up to mini four foot trees up one in my bedroom and one in a corner in the living room to be moved into the hall way and then the big tree is in the living room, it is all ready decorated just a couple of more decortations and then it is finished, then I have to sit down and write Christmas cards and I have to have my church news letter done by sunday and it will be finished tomorrow afternoon ready for collating. I just started today to do the march newsletter. I have no time to waste.
I love chirstmas so much and the fond memories of a young girl who cherishes them in her heart always and the love that one very special grandma who made my life the best it is today . I miss you grandma and hope you will see how lovely my home is decked out for the holidays just like you use to do .
Merry Christmas to all of you
Love Orangefatcat.
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This board is full of hot air
by mtsgrad inhi friends.
i have been mentally stimulated many times by reading exciting threads.
my only problem is words are sometimes not enough.. .
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orangefatcat
wow is someone desperate or what.
orangefatcat
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Pretzels and JWs
by Nosferatu ini was just sitting here, admiring a bulk bag of pretzel twists sitting on the table and it sparked a memory.
jws aren't supposed to eat them.
remember that?.
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orangefatcat
Blondie it was like one of those so called things that if your a mature Christain you wouldn't eat it as it might offend some one newer or even older in the organziation. The story of the monk is true. With their arms folded as in prayer.
I heard it many years ago along with you............ can't have Nestle quick becasue it had blood in it and peanut butter because of lecithin they claimed that was blood too and you couldn't eat oscar myers weiners becasue they had blood in them too. Well none of that was true. It only takes one JW to start a rumor and then it goes like a wild fire and before you know it everyone of JW 's think it is factual and don't look into it forthemselves. Researsh goes a long way..
Just Urban Legands.
Orangefatcat
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JW's and Others Take Heed - Child Abuse is Masked Behind Respectability
by flipper init's well been stated before when a pedophile has been found out molesting someone's child that friends and family can't believe how the allegedly "joe the respectable " friend , father, pastor, elder or ms , could possibly be molesting a child !
2 cases in point here in the sacramento, california area .
the first case a stepfather just committed murder-suicide on himself, his wife, and 2 small children .
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orangefatcat
I can see the point your making.
The fact that he molested the young boy doesn't make him gay it makes him a pedophile. This 17 year old had been ganged raped when he was six years old when he was coming home from school one day. He would come home through the woods and I guess that is where it occoured, I only know this because when he was with the psychiatrist he told him this, his mother and father never knew this before he was terrified to tell them, perhaps the boys threatened him and his family. His parents found out after he had seen the psychaitrist.
But also his doctor asked him if his best buddy who was and is still (my son) did anything ever happen sexually between the two of them. The young friend said No to the doctor, that my son never ever even knew he had tendancies towards the male gender or toward young boys. My son was always crazy about girls. When my son was five years old he bought a deck of cards with naked girls on them and he told the store keep he had his mom's permission to buy them. What a brat.
I know that gays are not pedophiles, maybe some but not a high incidence. whereas hetrosexuals are more so pedophiles.
Sorry if I offended anyone with my comments.
Orangefatcat. stop putting your foot in your mouth eat pizza instead.
