sorta kinda?
do you think they'll ever have an "apostate" face on a wall for everyone to yell at for a few minutes during meeting?
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Julia, it is pretty hateful, isn't it? Hate seems to be the main thing they focus on! They've got a hate flavor du jour.
Phizzy, this stuff is actually screwing me over. Before, my boyfriend would listen to the occasional story I'd bring up about some terrible story of someone who left the faith. Now, increasingly, it's "well, they're just lying because they hate us." I have no idea how to counter it. I know, I know, I shouldn't be dating a JW. But he has such a cute butt...
sorta kinda?
do you think they'll ever have an "apostate" face on a wall for everyone to yell at for a few minutes during meeting?
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Sorta kinda? Do you think they'll ever have an "apostate" face on a wall for everyone to yell at for a few minutes during meeting?
before the usual suspects start reaching for the pich-forks and forming a mob, i invite you to actually read and consider this, not just leap to conclusions.. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130607/7-graphs-america-overrated-nsa-prism-privacy.
why do i care?
it seems the people being screwed the most are also the most visciferous defenders of the status quo which sees them being severely disadvantaged.. maternity leave?
To be quite honest, I don't know too many Americans who say America is "the best country ever." In fact, lately, I've seen loads of Americans voicing just the opposite opinion. I'm an American who has actually lived in another country. From that experience, all countries have their benefits and their detriments. And the citizens of most countries will have love for their homeland and consider it the best place for them to live. Isn't that fairly normal? I understand judging people who make blanket statements, but sometimes it's more a clearly personal statement or hyperbole. Really, though, most Americans don't say that.
Those graphs show some of the bad things about our country. I will say that maternity leave is crap. I had a coworker who had to pool all of her vacation, sick, and personal days for her "maternity leave." She worked until her due date, the baby was a week late, and she only had four weeks to spend at home. This isn't really the status quo, though. Most places provide maternity time. Some even provide paternity time. I just work for a bunch of douche bags.
1) they're going to stop producing the wt publications index "because its hard to maintain and translate".
so they're going to create a digital-only research tool on jw.org .
it's like, how convenient and smart.
skeeter, at least they're right about one "evil worldly" food provider! haha
i'm a secondary school teacher and i've spent a lot of time at school this year since i've left jws simply observing student dynamics.
i do a lot of playground duty and have the opportunity to observe the kids at play and in the classroom.
i've especially had the opportunity to observe middle school kids, that is, kids between 12 and 15 in my state.. my observations of these 'worldly' children are:.
I only ever knew one JW kid, and he was just sad all the time. No one was mean to him. We just felt bad for him because he had to leave the class every time we did anything fun. My parents didn't let us celebrate Halloween, (some Christian families are like that) but they at least didn't embarrass us by making us leave during the Halloween party. This kid had to sit in the office for the rest of the day because his parents wouldn't pick him up early. This was every time we did something like that. He never talked to anyone, really. Just a sad, quiet kid.
Anyway, I found this JWtalk topic about this lady wanting to throw a party for her teenage son because she never lets him do anything. The suggestions were "invite old people," "invite pioneers," and "invite elders." I'm sure that's what a high school kid wants at his party. That's like someone saying, "I'm going to throw your friends a party! But grandpa is going to be there telling you meandering stories where he interrupts himself every ten seconds to say... 'Oh, wait... I was wearing a BLUE shirt, not a red one.' I'm also going to invite a nun to sit in the corner and look at you severely when you look like you might be enjoying yourself or looking at boobs." Here's the link...
1) they're going to stop producing the wt publications index "because its hard to maintain and translate".
so they're going to create a digital-only research tool on jw.org .
it's like, how convenient and smart.
"2) they told people in the morning announcements to bring your lunch from home so as to not to leave the convention site and thus avoid supporting the worldy outside vendors"
Not to be a butt... okay, maybe I want to be a butt... unless you have a farm in your backyard, aren't you ALWAYS supporting a worldly food provider? The sandwich you've packed is filled with ingredients from those evil worldly farmers. Or are they not evil? Is it just Big Macs and Whoppers that are demon inspired? What's the current understanding?
does anyone find it odd that it seems there's less of a vocal apostate movement for scientology and mormons.
i'm getting this from google - i can't seem to find any majour forums like this one, or websites that are regularly updated exposing doctrines etc.. there is stuff out there, but from my search at least it doesn't seem to be as much as jw's.. strange considering mormons have 13 mill (?).
scientologists 'claim' 8 mill.. .
I live in an area with loads of Mormons (I'd say at least 25% of the population), and I have MANY friends who have left that church. None of them have bad relationships with their families at all. They're still loved by their parents and siblings. I'm not sure if there's much of a strict shunning policy that's meant to be enforced. If it is, though, I've never seen it from any of these families.
Mormons are very much about family, though. Generally, they're extremely nice people, too, so it's kind of a different dynamic, in a way.
it seems kind of crazy to go to someone's house touting your religion as truth and then not even defend your own beliefs.
why do jws stop the chat if someone just tries to calmly reason/debate with them?
i'm not talking about crazy preachers who start slamming bibles and yelling about how they need jesus or something.
Thanks for the varied responses, everyone.
For those of you who actively discussed, good on ya. For those who really hated being there, I'm sorry. That must have been so crappy. I can't imagine being a part of a church that doubts your relationship with God because you don't want to go door to door.
A watcher, so you don't want to discuss things with householders. Tell me again what Paul, Jesus, and all the other disciples were doing whilst talking with Jews? I'm THINKING there was some discussion and bit of debate going on. Just a smidge. Aren't you meant to be emulating them?
so i do respect and am very greatful for the sacrifies those who dedicated their family, lives, etc.
to defend our freedom, lives, and land, but if we lived in a world where we lived as monks or jehovah's witnesses (basicly just the practise of no war).... would that be wrong?.
what's a good lesson or level of reasoning when supporting the idea of war?.
I'm not a JW and I've pretty much had someone in my family fight in every major war since the American Revolution, so I don't know if my opinion really matters. What I was wondering, though, is how someone could take pacifism away from the Bible when the OT is literally just war after war after war and God telling the Jews to fight. I'm not being judgmental at all. In fact, my grandmother's family was half filled with Quakers, and they've been pacifists for hundreds of years. I just want to know how people who say the Bible teaches pacifism explain the OT.
In general, non religious terms, though, there are certain times when it is downright immoral not to get involved. I don't see how anyone would be okay with the mass slaughter of Jews and other atrocities being performed by the Nazis and the Japanese in World War 2 and think they shouldn't do anything. I understand being against certain wars we've been involved in recently and that aren't really helping anyone. If someone is in dire need of help, though, there's no excuse for doing nothing.
looking for your advice.
i was born in 'the truth', homeschooled, washed windows for work, etc.. im rather ignorant of how the whole dating thing works.. .
i'm sure i'm not the only person on here who grew up 'in the truth' and is/was a virgin in their late 20s, never been to a nightclub, etc., while everyone around them has a family/kids.
"Don't go there trust it won't end well they are virgins for a reason stay away very far away even if you are a true believer. It doesn't matter how attractive they are they are the worst to get along with as they are totally dominating."
I just meant that someone at a church would be cool with an older virgin because there's a good chance they are, too. There are so many religious Christian types who are still holding the v card when they're nearing 30. It doesn't mean they're completely weird. They're just really serious about sex stuff. I know quite a few of them.
