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  I'm curious

  by teejay in

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  to all loyal jehovah's witnesses:.

  the bible says that at the mouth of three witnesses let every matter be firmly established.

  so i'm curious... if you had to choose only three, what three things about the watchtower society and/or it's teachings convinces you beyond any doubt that jehovah's witnesses has the truth about the bible and is the sole representative of jehovah on earth today?.

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  Let me see if I can reach 3;

  1. The Watchtower says so.

  2. The elders say so.

  3. My mum says so.

  How about that?

  We're on a winner here!

  Ozzie [walking in the light(ning)class]
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  Your Rebellion = Watchtower Oxymoron.

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the wtbts?

  or did you just feel that jw`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in god, albeit accepting that your idea of god was now somewhat different?.

  according to the watchtower, by leaving the jw`s, you have rebeled directly against god.

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  G'Day Englishman,

  Just to add a topical note too. It was reported by Raymond Franz in "Crisis of Conscience" that Lyman Swingle was a user of that expression, too! It seems that he used it as a substitute for reasoned discussion.

  Cheers,

  Ozzie
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  Orwell.hystory rewritten??? WTS -1920

  by MacHislopp in

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  on pag.

  126 of the book "millions..." published in 1920. there was this quote :.

  the unique bible commentary-.

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  Let me help:

  It reads:
  "After C. T. Russell's death, a publication designated as the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures was prepared in an attempt to provide an explanation of the books of Ezekiel and Revelation. The volume was based, in part, on comments that Russell had made on those Bible books. However, the time to reveal the meaning of those prophecies had not yet come, and in general, the explanation offered in that volume of Studies in the Scriptures was hazy. In the ensuing years, Jehovah's undeserved kindness and developments on the world scene have allowed Christians to discern the meaning of those prophetic books more accurately."

  As Mac has said, history is being re-written.

  Do you notice too that again the tactic is to say that some were 'running ahead'? We could ask, how do we know that the current explanations are not also 'running ahead'?

  Notice too that they don't say that the seventh volume was garbage. They diplomatically say that it was "hazy"!

  Ozzie (of the truth in advertising class)
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  Their Time Will Come.....

  by ISP in

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  despite an abundance of evidence that hits at the heart of the wts, it should be no surprise that many seem to ignore everything and continue.

  you may wonder why particularly as many of us were in the wts and did not ignore the comprehensive mass of proof against the claims and teachings made.

  typically brothers can enjoy themselves as elders.

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  I can relate to that, Thirdson.

  I asked the simple question: How can you get a relationship with God by reading his letters to someone else? (JWs teach that NT is for anointed, not great crowd, also that Jesus is not our Mediator) Basically how can you get a relationship with someone by reading another person's mail?

  Anyway, that was 6 months ago. Not one relative, all elders or CO has tried to answer it. I wonder why?

  Cheers,

  Ozzie
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  Joining the Tribe

  by Uncanny in

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  greetings to all lurkers, posters and friends,.

  like amazing, i, too, just saw farkel's h 20 post about the plusses of this forum and have decided to move camp or switch horses in mid-stream.

  there is only room for one jw forum in my life, and after scanning the list of familiarly warm and fuzzy names here today, i feel like i've come home.. thank you again to farkel, surely, our own marquis de sade of anti-watchtower words.

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  Great news, uncanny. Welcome aboard!

  Looking forward to your posts.

  Ozzie (another member of the Looking For WT News & Lively, Uncensored Debate Class)
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  Sunday's Watchtower Study: Saved by Grace

  by ozziepost in

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  this week's watchtower study article "are you living up to your dedication?

  " includes this statement (para 11):.

  "in any case, our salvation depends, not on anything we might do, but on jehovah's undeserved kindness [grace] through christ jesus, our lord.".

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  This week's Watchtower Study article "Are You Living Up to Your Dedication?" includes this statement (para 11):

  "In any case, our salvation depends, not on anything we might do, but on Jehovah's undeserved kindness [grace] through Christ Jesus, our Lord."

  This sounds much like the Christian position on salvation. But wait! The next subheading reads "Making Each Day Count" and goes on to deal with witnessing works. It concludes the study with the comment: "Our firm detremination should be to hold a good conscience with regard to both our conduct and our ministry."

  And so in the same article, we have the two positions described, salvation by Grace and salvation by works. Sounds schizophrenic perhaps?

  Ozzie
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  Your Rebellion = Watchtower Oxymoron.

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the wtbts?

  or did you just feel that jw`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in god, albeit accepting that your idea of god was now somewhat different?.

  according to the watchtower, by leaving the jw`s, you have rebeled directly against god.

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  CORRECTION: I should have written "Any non-JW may readily think in terms of two entities...."

  Sorry.

  Ozzie
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  Your Rebellion = Watchtower Oxymoron.

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the wtbts?

  or did you just feel that jw`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in god, albeit accepting that your idea of god was now somewhat different?.

  according to the watchtower, by leaving the jw`s, you have rebeled directly against god.

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  G'day all,

  It seems that each new religion is formed with at least one identifying belief e.g. Seventh Day Adventists, Methodists, Quakers, etc. Then to propagate their group they establish rules and claim that they have the only true way to be saved. Over time those rules comprise "the truth". With the JWs they have enforced those rules to an extreme degree.

  The standard line to any lapsed JW is "Don't leave Jehovah". They equate Jehovah with the organisation. Any JW may readily think in terms of two entities, but to the JW those two are intertwined. Hence, the hatred and spiel against the apostates.

  Ozzie (who remembers that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God")
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  Checking In

  by Amazing in

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  hello everyone: i have been away for a while from various forums.

  i saw farkel's recommendation to check out this site at jwd.

  so, here i am.. the issues surrounding pedophiles is taking on momentum, and i just recently learned that my son-in-law's dad (a jw) was arrested for molesting a minor (not a jw).

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  G'day Amazing,

  Welcome to this Home Sweet Home. It's a bit more respectful and quiet than the other house, but they engage in some thoughtful discussion. Enjoy your stay!

  Ozzie
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  false alarm

  by unanswered in

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  i went out to get my mail today, and to my shock and suprise there was a letter from the wtbts!!

  as i walked back inside i was really hoping that the letter was a response to my 4 page da letter(that letter was not accepted, i was dfed anyway as i've said before).

  i had asked them why the local elders had grounds for dfing among many other questions.

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  Thanks, unanswered, for the news,

  How was the letter addressed to you,
  Did they start with Dear ........

  I just wondered because in times past when letters have been sent to DF persons, the letter starts with: "Mr ....." i.e. it does not include the word "dear" in the salutation. You see, they think that's scriptural because they can't share a greeting with a Df person!

  I think you're quite privilgeed to even get a letter about your sub. Here in Oz, very few subs are mailed; most are delivered by the pioneers (late, usually!) and if you're DF, there's no certainty you'll get yours.

  Oh, it's a great system this "spiritual paradise" ain't it?

  Cheers,

  Ozzie