Posts by Pamela

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Telephone call with elder today

by simplesally in

i got a call today on my cell phone today from an elder (i am disfellowshipped)... said i hadn't been seen in a while at the kh.

i said yes, thats true, that the most recent incident regarding his daughter's treatment of my daughter has caused me to not come.

it was the last straw.. "are you going to take it out on jehovah?

Pamela

Dear Simplesally,
I feel your pain! Don't do as I did ,I was df'ed 3 times before I finally left. Whenever I would meet with the elders they would tell me that I was not repentant. I rememeber sitting at the Hall as they made the big annousement about the unrepentant sinner, I felt as if I had a Letter A on my forehead! I can't believe I let them do that so many times. One of the times was for no wrongdoing on my part at all. They have truly torn family's apart and ruined lives. Do your reaearch now and make your decision one way or the other, I think you will be surprized at what you find. It sounds as if your on the right track. Just don't let them manipulate you with a"guilty conscious"Con game. Only you know your heart and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Good luck with your spiritual journey ,I hope you find truth for yourself but mostly peace.
Truly, Pamela

9

Please come to your senses!

by Martini in

hi folks.

this poem may have appeared before but i just received this from my dub sil.i love her, but my heart bleeds for her more than she may ever know,and in a way she may never understand.

the brothers not doing what they should.

Pamela

Frenchy!
I love your poems! I am going to have to buy more kleenex!
It truely is sad how ingrained the guilt and fear is put on all members. Even now when i read stuff like that ,there is a small part of me that gets some what fearful,but i like the sentiment in your poem about being glad when your fate is known. We think alot alike,I too think this is a sad world, I'll be glad when things are over be it however it comes about.

Martini,
My mom recently sent me a poem titled" Jehovah is watching in the window." It was pretty bad. It was along the lines of that Jehovah see's what we do and loves us anyway because he knows why we do things in our heart. Very sad reading! Just stay away from the fear and guilt,they are very powerful.

Best regards, Pam.

6

This Thing Called Me

by Frenchy in

this thing called me.

there are times when my soul is like the placid pond .

and there are times when it boils like the raging sea.

Pamela

Thank you so much for that poem! It was awesome. ( Have you been spying on me?) I feel the same way most of the time and could really relate. It's amazing how complex the brain can be.

There is a song by Tracy Chapman,
That makes the statement,
When Ive touched the sky,earths gravity has pulled me down,
But I have reconciled that in this world birds and angels get the
wings to fly.

Good work!, very talened. Pam.

42

Are JW unik ?

by happy man in

jw
friends

is it any more religions on earth who have over 6 million members, and who not are taking a part inn war, and not take part inn politics .

, some say we have more , but i dont find anyone who is inn almost evry country on this earth, it can not be easy to lead this peopel, some here complain very much, but if you will lead 6 millions you will se it is not easy.. if i compere widh other organisations who i now, the problem are minimal.

we can see a clear thing today, evrything is breaking upp, .

Pamela

Happy Man,
I agree with what Gopher said. I think that for some people staying in the WT Society can be comforting to them ,It is to my Mom,but she is the saddist person I know. She is not happy like you.I would recommend that you do a thorough search of the scriptures and keep an open mind and think for yourself. Keep your eyes open ,look around.
I know for me I have been out of the WT for 18 yrs and it took finally getting the info I needed and the loving support that I needed to help me find my way To the One who gave His life for me.
I'm just saying that we all have a choice,and no one should judge anyone else over the choice that they make. In the end ,we will all be held accountable one way or the other.If you choose to stay with the JWs ,then do so with knowing its the right thing for you.

I wish you continued happiness . Pam

25

Weight

by gilwarrior in

well today i went to my trainer and i weighed myself.

i weigh a disgusting 258 pounds!

i new record for me.

Pamela

Dear Gilwarrior,
I too am a RN like Scully and totally agree with her advise. I too have a weight problem and recently gained 10 lbs in 6 weeks and come to find out my thyroid was all out of wack. I have sice lost 6 lbs wIthout trying. I know how hard it is but you need to approach it on a level that you will be able to do it for a period of time and not get burned out. Hey,You have 2 RNs and a nutritionalist at your fingertips,you can't ask for better than that! Best wishes. Pam

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What to you do when you are being shunned?

by aprostate in

i used to be quiet around witnesses who were shunning me.

i changed my mind after my dad's funeral a couple of years ago.

i was their alone since i live in a different state; but, i guess everybody still knew who i was because of my mom.

Pamela

Dear Apro,
I am so sorry for you and what you encountered at your Dads funeral. It just shows how unloving the JWs are. What would it have hurt to at least offer condolenses at such a painful time.But they don;t look at it that way. They are as the scriptures say wearing that veil that keeps them from seeing what they hear. I too was dfed 18 yrs ago and have been emotionally abused by my Mom who is a a strong JW and she vascilates between shunning me and then weasling her way back in. Just last week she called out of the blue and said she was dissaciating herself from me. Then she turned around the next day and changed her mind again. Anyway,this time I called her and took control of the situation and I will call the shots on how she treats me. You just have to get tough and take control. I know its hard but its more painful to be on the other side of the fence. I do think you have an advantage leaving away from ex-jws. I wish you well on your journey to spirtual growth and freedom.

Pamela,

To those who,by the dint of glass and vapour,
Discover stars,and sail in the wind's eye-
-Byron

26

very alone..

by flower in

i know that people have been in the same boat as i am and have felt the same but i still feel very alone tonight.

and very depressed.

i dont think some people understand even here.

Pamela

Dear Flower, I know that I am very new to the group but it really worries me what I hear coming from you. It makes me feel afraid for you. Are you having thoughts of doing yourself harm? You sound so desperate. It appears to me that you could need some medical help for your depression. Sometimes no matter how much support we have or what our faith is ,our brain can be in a biochemical state that needs medication to help it pull out of the depression it is in.Believe me I have been there.I attempted suicide once and the second time went to the er to get help because i was afraid I'd do it again.You know there are a lot of supportive people here. Sometimes though ,It's very hard to make yourself do anything to help yourself.I want you to promise me you'll call your doctor and just tell him you are depressed and can't shake it. My e-mail is [email protected]. write me ,let me know how you are. XOXOXO Pamela

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To be lonely

by flower in

jw
friends

i remember skimming through a thread a while back that seemed to be some of your favorite songs and i thought i'd share one that has recently touched me.. its called 'i refuse to be lonely'.... i cant hold you.

cant hold you to the promises you made.

you wont be here tonight.

Pamela

Dear Lonely,
This is my first time on the line. I can relate with your feelings. I have always had a deep sadness,as if a river that runs through my very soul. My sadness has broken me and brought me to my knees several with 4 hospitalizations. You have to surround yourself with loving people,that understand. United we stand,divided we fall. Thanks for sharing your song.