Posts by pamkw

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Excerpt from Al Kidd on organ transplants and blood transfusion

by setfreefinally in

this is an excerpt from the article "abstaining from blood" from the following cite, provided for your comments/amusement.

he tries to answer the question why, even though jws were wrong on the organ transplant issue is not a reason to throw out the baby with the bath water.

http://www.geocities.com/rogueactivex/blood-kidd.htm.

pamkw

Okay that was about as clear as mud.

We should expect change for the better among those who truly are God's people. If the Devil were behind such changes, then we should conclude that he is divided against himself. But if God's holy spirit is behind the doctrinal improvements among Jehovah's Witnesses, then for one to invoke the changes as signal of poor authority structure in our organization means that he is fighting against God.

So if God makes a change its okay, and to point out the mistake is to go against God. Why wouldn't God be divided against himself also? Please what was this guy smoking when dreamed up this?

Consider first this as respects those Jewish Christians who might have been with the apostle Peter in Antioch, and might have been emboldened by Peter's spiritually and morally bad example to draw away from socializing with uncircumcised Gentile Christians.

I guess he missed the point that no one died when Peter didn't speak to them. There is no comparison.

This was the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

Pam

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Do you remember your last meeting?

by freedom96 in

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last meeting i ever went to was a memorial, 6 years ago.

i remember it well, and it wasn't even my own hall.

it was so boring.

The last meeting I went to was an assembly in Lincoln, Nebraska. Don't remember much except my sister and BIL fought the whole time. That was in 1995. I have only been back to the hall for a funeral and a wedding.

Pam

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What would the elders do if I returned to the hall

by JH in

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i'm inactive since many years.

the last time i went in the field service was in 1996 or 1997. i'm inactive on and off since 1991. didn't go in the field service since 1997. attended maybe 40 meetings in the last 6 years.

what would happen if i decided to go back to the hall for good, and i would tell the elders i don't want you to visit me, or question me on the last 10 years or so.

pamkw

They might not disfellowship you now becuase you have been away for so long. The elders told my sister that they would not do anything to me for that very reason. She turned me in for going to church. After all they do not want to bring attention to you and have people start wondering what you are up too. That might lead others to wanting to see what you got.

But I was told if I ever started going back to the hall, they would deal with me then. So no, they would not just let you come back without questions. You would have to pay the jw pentalty for living a live of your own choosing.

Pam

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Ex-JWs......full of hateful pride ??

by ScoobySnax in

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an observation...... recently someone asked "are we the most prolific exjw site on the net?

" from looking about and trawling around, i don't dispute that this site is the biggest, if not the most prolific.

(type in jw on a search and this site will appear) from an inactive point of view, i reckon despite the fact that there are some genuine people "hurting" here from past experiences, the majority of posts seem like some crusade against the wt and jws at whatever expense.

pamkw

This is one of the few places where you can go and vent. Someone else usually has had an experience close to your own. My own sister does not see the wts the way I do. She has never experienced the shunning and anger of our mother like I have. Why? She was never baptized. Will she go back, no. But she does not have the anger that I have toward it. Yes, I have anger, and I can relate to people who have the same anger. This is where I come to feel better.

Pam

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A little history on the Bible

by gumby in

it's always intresting to hear the answers you get from people about how and when the bible was formed.

many minds go only as far as believing it was simply a compilation of god ordained books that we have to this day.

below is just a small bit of information that many may not be familiar with.

pamkw

Thanks for starting this thread gumby. This is one subject I have been really interested in. I am going to check out all the sites. I have always thought the Bible a little to confusing to really be from God.

Thanks again.

Pam

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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

by iiz2cool in

my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

pamkw

I took a look at my mother's copy. They start talking about sex and demons on page 65 and keep it up off and on all the way through the book. It is really sick. I hadn't read to page 170 until I saw this post. My sister has been reading it to her daughter and our neices who are 7 and 6. I told my sister in law to put a stop it, that it is really an awful book. Of course, my mother (the grandmother) bought back a book for each of them. She knew better than to give one to my son. Another generation will grow up living in the same fear that I did.

Pam

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Did you ever feel guilty when you went out in service?

by micheal in

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i'm speaking not about yourself, but for the houeholder.

i would say for about the last 1.5 yrs before i left i didn't want to give a "good witness".

one because i didn't completly believe in it and two, i didn't want the householder to live the same misery i and most others were living.

pamkw

I just went through the motions of going out. I knew those people at the door were probably happy with what they knew, and I was sure they were happier than I was. Plus, I just hated going out during holidays. I would just walk down the street, and we would mark all of them not at home, unless we could tell there was no one home, then we would go to the door. I always felt like such a pest.

Pam

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An Open Invitation

by DJ in

there's an open invitation to all who would like to attend the annual convention in the mountains of pennsylvania for xjw's!

it books rather quickly and will be held on october 17-19th, fri.- sun.

there are accomodations on the grounds of the blue mountain christian retreat and they are very inexpensive.

pamkw

I went a few years ago, and it was okay. The resort is beautiful, but I really didn't like the convention itself. Too many tables selling stuff, and to much preachy, preachy. Plus all the exjw ministries were fighting amoung themselves about the trinity of all things. I would never go again.

Been there done that, never going back.

Pam

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Do You Have the "I Was Just A Publisher" Mentality?

by minimus in

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.....and that's why i hate, dislike, can't stand, anyone that used to be an elder???

..........after reading so many "bad elder" stories, i can understand why some might feel that they were just one of the rank-and-file and were treated poorly vs. someone like an elder that could have authority and try to intimidate those that they felt they could push around.

pamkw

I always had the I don't need a man making my decisions for me attitude. It really pissed off my uncle and brother in law, who both told me that they would help me make decisions for my son, since I didn't have a head. I have a fine head all my own ,and I didn't need to borrow theirs. They both told my mom the same thing, they would help her with spiritual matters since her husband was not a jw, and so she did not have a head.

If you were an unmarried woman in the org, you might as well have been a piece of furniture. It took me a long time build my self-esteem. (Now I have too much, lol) It made me so mad. Men (elders and others) were always trying to tell me where to work, or what to do with my kids, because I must not be very smart, I didn't have a man.

My totally independent attitude is probably why I am single today. I would love to have someone to share my life with, but I will not give up who I am to any one.

Pam, no longer a headless woman

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Lurkers! Stop Blaiming Satan For Your Own Problems!

by metatron in

where would jehovah's witnesses be if they couldn't blame all their problems on the devil?.

maybe they would be forced to confront --- finally--- their own foolishness!.

case in point: i had a nice chat with sister a. in which i expressed my deepest sympathy for her tired daughter,.

pamkw

Exactly cruzan, that is the part I rebelled against so much as a kid. My mom would say it doesn't matter if we are happy now, we will be happy in the new order. Please, I always wanted to know why I couldn't be happy now. My mom has a horriable life, and does nothing to stand up for herself. She is still waiting. I asked her the other day, how she could still hang on after 30 some years. Her answer, there are older ones who have waited 60 or more years. When I asked, and what has it gotten them, she changed the subject. A whole life time wasted, and she seems to like that way.

Pam