Posts by paradix

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What kind of people are JWs at all?

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hi everybody.. i have read recently in several messages saying that the witness are immoral, or saying their morality is very relative.

in one of these messages somebody wrote that he didnt know a witness with real morality, just an outer skin or resemblance of that.i agree totally with this point of view.. i have suffered the worst things from people that is very active in the preaching, talking,.

and meeting comments.

paradix

Hi everybody.
I have read recently in several messages saying that the Witness are immoral, or saying their morality is very relative.
In one of these messages somebody wrote that he didn’t know a witness with real morality, just an outer skin or resemblance of that.I agree totally with this point of view.
I have suffered the worst things from people that is very active in the preaching, talking,
And meeting comments. I want not to explain what kind of things are these, because
Is very difficult to me to talk about without feel very sad and angry and hurted.
I just want to think about.
Well, I wonder why a religion that boasts of being true Christian , In which love is supposed to reign, produces such an effect in the people who became part of it.
I put this matter on board because I realize that even people who were and still is
Good people still in the Borg have adquired a twisted moral sense that is not easy to see in the Worldly people. For example, I can’t throw away of my mind a phrase of a brother, when asked by a person in the territory about .What will Jehovah do with child
and mental disturbed capability people who are not belonging to Jehovah Witnesses when the end of this system of things finally happens?: Jehovah will destroy them, of course, Said the brother , almost proudly, and then offered the magazines that show what a wonderful god is Jehovah, don’t you think, Mr. X?
I don’t blame this brother. Just look to the point of view in the volumes and books,
Like the Reasoning book. My point is:What effect has the continous mention of Jehovah and Jesus as Vindicator, Avenger, Judge, etcetera in the meetings, conventions and specially the preaching?
I see people becomes bloodthirsty, not lovely people, and, because they think they
Are in the right side of the Universal Question Affair, they became vindicative,
Revengeous, judgeful also.(To others of course, because they blind themselves
To see just all is too good in the Spiritual Paradise).
I have see people that started (when just baptized) good people, with feelings,
To become pharisaic, selfish, intolerant and called all this theocratic or, (Oh , my god)
To have Christ’s Mind.
And, about the moral sense of they, I have seen they are cons,liars, very insensitive
to others’s feelings, and called that theocratic or to be Kingdom focused.
It’s really a shame and a pity.
Haven’t you see some of that?When I remember all this, I feel the joy of to have
Left all this Hypocratia (Theocratia: Not a chance!).
Love to everybody looking for answers and the comfort of the talking.
Paradix
Don’t tell it me, I’ve lived it.

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Do You Think WTS Reacts to Internet Info?

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while i was an active jw, i remember so often that whenever we had a question that couldn't be answered, we would hear: "just wait a little bit and you can be sure it will be brought out in an article soon.

" and sure enough, it happened just like that, time and time again.. my topic title question has been rolling around in my head ever since hearing the talks and the drama dialogue as i posted earlier on the topic "dc subtle propaganda".. the wts obviously knows many of its members are lurking here and other sites, and their lies are getting more exposure than ever before, and i feel as though the org is keeping tabs on these sites.

many here have been telling their experiences and life stories revealing many skeletons from the wts closet, openly criticizing the attitudes and harsh actions of the org.. these are just a few of the phrases hammered at repeatedly as reminders at the dc this past weekend:.

paradix

Hi.
Yes, I know positively they react to the Internet.
In my (ex)congregation there are two elders with access to the Web. They used to talk that they enter in the Web just to know these damned apostates are saying.And they share with the C.O. what they read.After he maked the same advice of "Don't do this again" the C.O. builded part(the main, in fact) of his speech in the Circuit COnvention on the issues the two elders found in the Net.
I personally heared this C.O. said that the WTS are confronting others
organizations that have the solely goal of to destroy them.He said:
They are very, very organized! And are making great damage to many
brothers.!
Beyond the victim hype, they are afraid.
Free conscience is not a good new for the Slavertower.
Love.

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I refuses to be just an Ex...

by paradix in

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i stopped my activities today and started to ask myself: what now?.

could the life be this, to be an ex something, ex jw, ex preacher.?.

i think the big part of people who left the wts has arrived there in firs time looking for something more.. the big questions to be answered.

paradix

I stopped my activities today and started to ask myself: what now?
Could the life be this, to be an ex something, ex JW, ex preacher.?
I think the big part of people who left the WTS has arrived there in firs time looking for something more.
The big questions to be answered. But the Truth became the Big Lie.
What a shot. In spite of this, what now?
I notice many of us took different ways. There are people that still is looking to find God in the Scriptures. Others seems to have turned a bit cynical. Anyway, I feel that we can’t be satisfied
With the idea of to be an”ex”. We must to keep struggling for the answers we looked sometime ago.
I find this board a great help to keep thinking. But I abhorr the idea of to be satisfied with
Just talking. I think there are a fight that we have still to keep fighting.
I wonder how people in the Borg are so selfsatisfied. This the reason they are not seeing what the
Have before them, isn’t it?
I just want to share this feelings.
I see people in this board that still is looking.
Well, keep looking. Jesus said something kinda, didn’t he?
While there are a looking, there are hope.
We proudly have to say: I am not an Ex, I am a christian.
If we are now walking in another path, the one thing to care about is the goal.
Remember.the JWs are not the owner of the Hope, the Bible and, of course, God Himself. Even they think they are, and so told us.
Keep walking. That is all.We run with an advantage. We know there a path that drives to mind slavery.
But there are many more roads. Keep looking.
Love to all,
Paradix.

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2/3 of the Auditorium didn't open the Watchtower.

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hi everybody.. sometime i had read(many years ago) in kingdom ministry an article that said thatas much as two third of the auditorium didn't uses to studie the watchtower when gone to the watchtower study meeting.. do anyone remember this mention?

perhaps someone realizing something is wrong in the spiritual paradise?.

if not, what reveals this?i believed some guys were very angry in.

paradix

Hi Everybody.
Sometime I had read(many years ago) in Kingdom Ministry an article that said thatas much as two third of the auditorium didn't uses to studie the Watchtower when gone to the Watchtower Study Meeting.
Do anyone remember this mention? What was this? Perhaps someone realizing something is wrong in the Spiritual Paradise?
If not, what reveals this?I believed some guys were very angry in
Brooklyn to have to write that.
When I read this I was very surprised for such confession.
Do you know if they have admitted something like this lately, maybe
in the conventions?Or C.O. meeting with the elders.
Love to all
Paradix.

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How real was this?

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when i remember my time in the borg, i wonder.

how many things i have seen which i thought were evidences of.

spirituality were just acting and disguise.. no, i am not saying that everybody were acting, but what about the.

paradix

Hy Outnfree:
I have read the page"Sin, Mercy and The Watchtower ". You are right,
it's the same kind of thing I posted here!
Thank you for let me know that.
By the way: I didn't left the BOrg because someone taked my savings.
(Just to make clear the things.)
See you later in the board I hope.
Paradix

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How real was this?

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when i remember my time in the borg, i wonder.

how many things i have seen which i thought were evidences of.

spirituality were just acting and disguise.. no, i am not saying that everybody were acting, but what about the.

paradix

Hy Outnfree:
It's nice to meet too.
Well, I am able to explain how I left the JWOrganization.It was just
a matter of keeping eyes wide open.I used to see many things that just
don't work biblical way. I saw circuit and district overseer favouring
brothers because they preferre their homes to stay during the visit
(wealthy brothers, I means) rather than poor brothers that barely had
a roof over their heads.
I saw people that had spiritual hunger along with doubts kicked off
the organization because they were "bad influence" to others.
I saw many "active" brothers who showed they loved nobody, perhaps
themself.This persons used to be "pillars" on the congregation.
I saw the elders considered unworthly the few preachinghours many brothers and sisters informed, seting side to side pioneers and
"common" sisters and brothers, punishing them and steeling his dignity.
BUt, that's not all. Someday, I read in the internet a excerpt of
the BOok "Crisis of Conscience" by Ray Franz. ¡It was .... a hit on
my head! Do you think I liked what I read? You are wrong if you think
that. I feel hurted,raped...Who is this man to say these things?
BUt...he was right. I found he said nothing without biblical basis.
Beyond this, I start to see why I felt so bad last years in the "truth". He showed me the reason. And the reason was that the
BOrg has many things, but God's Spirit.
I realize this organization was (is) just an experiment, a moral experiment to check how deep could a bunch of men handle the conscience of others. I thought (and I think now the same way)
the Borg had its precedent in the Pharisees,who enjoy to present
themself as Moral Champions. And we all know what Jesus said about
them.
I start to share my feelings(and the knowledge that Internet provided
me ) with other people who were hurted in many ways.Everybody said me
that they were finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.
I left the meetings, (my wife too) and later the elders call me for
a meeting. They asked me:We hear you are saying the Truth is not the
Truth. I answered: The truth is the BIble. That's what we teach,isn't
it?
They asked:Do you think the Society is the solely channel of GOd will
in the Earth?
I answered: You are tryng to kicked me off. I know that. I won't
answered your questions, I am going to become inactive, leave me alone.
And they said:Will you keep saying others the things you had see in
the Internet? My answer: I will.
And then, the three elders start to have a kind of discussion before
me about what to do with me. FInally, they decided to ask me not talk
with brothers about theses things and to send a letter to the Society
to remove me as an elder. BUt I am still a brother.Do you know why?
Are you wondering why they didn't disfellowshipped me?
The reason is: a man who used to be and still is a ministerial servant
asked me a loan of 10.000 dollars(all life savings). And I lend him
this amount of money. He used the money to move to USA, and left me
and my wife with no money and many debts.This man is a killer, he
almost kill me and my wife. And, do you know what?, he is still a
very active publisher in the State, and a ministerial servant too.
(Give me a break!)
This whole thing was well known in the congregation at this time.
Because this, I think, they decided wasn't not the "right" time to
disfellowship me. But I know it's just a matter of time.
Anyway, the most important thing is to keep our hope.
I think God is real, the BIble is true.I think someday the Witnesses
will be just a caption in the dictionaries. They are becoming more
and more selflovers, they like to receive glory and praises one each
other. They are moderns pharisees.
And God is looking.
I pray God bless you, Outnfree, and everybody in the board or out who
are seeking GOd.
I believe, because our Lord Jesus Christ said so, we are knowed by the
Jehovah the Father.
Yours sincerely,
Paradix

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How real was this?

by paradix in

when i remember my time in the borg, i wonder.

how many things i have seen which i thought were evidences of.

spirituality were just acting and disguise.. no, i am not saying that everybody were acting, but what about the.

paradix

When I remember my time in the BOrg, I wonder
how many things I have seen which I thought were evidences of
spirituality were just acting and disguise.
No, I am not saying that everybody were acting, but what about the
contrast between the behaviour of the people inside the hall and
out?What about the record of many persons who maked good talkings
and comments in the meetings and haven't real love to others.
What about the way to see others, specially people out the "truth"?
Have you see real mercy? Did we really loved people when we were
preaching house to house?Why we preached? Because we loved Jehovah
or to have some hours to inform?
I am not discovering anything. What I am trying to say is that this
behaviour is well known by the GB, the overseers, the elders (As a matter of fact ,I used to be one, and many times put this matter to
consideration in the elders's meetings. The answer was, almost always, What do you pretend the brothers do?) And still they say
they are preaching the truth and doing that because they love people
and God...
It's a charade of the true christianism...

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All these years wasted...

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it is lamentable to see like the years pass inside an organization that .

he/she goes against what says the bible and leaving everything is so clear.

we have meditated in because one can ignore what you leave from so far .

paradix

hi, Peterstride.
You are right, the prior "transmission" wasn't clear.I trust too much
on my Powertranslator. Well, what i am tryng to say is:
-Maybe we still read Bible, and pray and praise, even in silence.
I do. And I think many times how different is what BIble says and what
Society said about a lot of matters.Beyond this, what about the many
words which are exclusive of the witnesses that not even appear on BIble, at least in the JW sense.(Pioneer, district convention, paradise on earth, type, antitype....)
Is sad to say that we not just believe this pseudobiblical slang was
right...we teach it to others.And not just words: it's a whole way
of understanding God, Man and the World. A bad one, I think now.
The question is: it's possible to see a thousand times the Bible and
don't realize we are teaching something else?
I have no answer to this.And most important, why we didn't understand
the true meaning of shepherdship. Have you read or heard the way
Raymond Franz explain this matter? It's so clear, but why it wasn't
all these years...
I say again: I have no answers. BUt it's interesting to think.
The whole thing teachs a lesson. But, what is that?

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All these years wasted...

by paradix in

it is lamentable to see like the years pass inside an organization that .

he/she goes against what says the bible and leaving everything is so clear.

we have meditated in because one can ignore what you leave from so far .

paradix

It is lamentable to see like the years pass inside an organization that
he/she goes against what says the Bible and leaving everything is so clear.
We have meditated in because one can ignore what you leave from so far
now and however to continue thinking that we have been making the will
of God. ?
Do we still think of this? We deny what we were without wondering as
could we be it and even but, like we take to others to be this?
I still think a lot of this. The truth, it should be interesting to know
their experiences.

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Cultish terms, ideas and teachings

by paradix in

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sometimes i wonder how different is the description of the christian.

congregation in comparison with the stuff we learned in the "truth".. pioneers, district and circuit conventions, magazines routes, magazines itself.

(what about the blood matter,the type and antitype, etc.

paradix

Sometimes i wonder how different is the description of the christian
congregation in comparison with the stuff we learned in the "truth".
Pioneers, district and circuit conventions, magazines routes, magazines itself.(What about the blood matter,the type and antitype, etc.?Come on!)
How we suck all this garbage and still we were thinking its the truth?
I left ten years inside this circus, and now I really really wonders
...¿how all this happens?
I read in the past days a quote from G.Bernard Shows that says something like:When you realize you were not right about something you realize not only you were not right, but that the reasons to realize you were not right about that were before you all this time.(the quote is a sort of this). I think this quote describe perfectly what happened to many of us?
Why?How?
Many questions, a few answers.