Posts by Kingpawn

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Pornography and Sexuality

by Beans in

after leaving the only religion in the world, what are your views on sexual issues and have they changed more and more since the time you left the borg?

did you go sexually crazy and try many different things?

did you find intrest in porn and want to experiment more?.

Kingpawn

Outoftheborg,

Well Dinky, if it is any consolation I have the same dilema you spoke of. I notice that some gays/lesbians seem to be kind caring people. The kind of people that do not deserve the hate that is generated in some, from religion and public beliefs. Yet I believe that life style to be difficult to say the least and would not recommend it to my children as I would not recommend promiscuity.

Many gays/lesbians are kind, caring people, as you say. Many others are pricks. These same observations apply to heterosexuals as well obviously.

This lifestyle can't be "recommended" since it's not a choice. With all the hate directed at us which you're aware of, no one would logically choose such a disadvantageous way of living.

Having said that...back to the thread topic.

I've become a bit more liberal in what I'm willing to try. Have my attitudes changed since leaving? Not an easy one to answer. I was naive at that time so most changes could be called "coming of age."

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Romance status

by Crystal in

just curious as to who is single and who is not on this board.i have been with my boyfriend going on 3 years now.

we just moved in together in feb.for the most part we get along great but he has some weird habits.he also thinks i spend too much time on this site(which i do...but heck i finally belong!!

)so its hard to relate to him on the subject.he thinks i should just forget about it.sometimes i think i might be better off with someone who has more or less been where i have.

Kingpawn

Married at 24, still there unhappily. DF'ed 20 years or so ago.

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How many ex-JWs out there?

by EXJWBrit in

ok, i'm really green.

i heard about this site because of a link on the bbc website due to the paedophile stuff.

i'm a little confused.

Kingpawn

I'm an ex-JW. DF'ed around 1980. I spent more time studying to be one than I was one. And I could regurgitate Scripture, turn any conversation into a mini-sermon, and so on.

But like a recent poster said, I think I was going through the motions. I never really thought about what I was doing. Got in too deep and burned out.

Am I an apostate? Well, I think they're right on some things, although if asked would I carry through on them to the point of death, I'd say no. I guess I'm saddened by the fact they seem to be abandoning what they once believed re: the UN, blood, organ transfusions, and so on. The sex-abuse scandal hasn't helped either, or the knowledge that they own 50% of a company owning 50% of another company who's working in areas that may have military applications. IOW the US Army and Navy have expressed interest in technology they're working on.

Would I go back? I don't feel repentant, nor do they eagerly accept practicing (what the hell does that mean?) gays, though that's not what I got canned for. Other than not really being able to get involved in any other religion, I have few scars since I was in such a short time.

Welcome aboard. You'll find people here who laugh, cry, bitch, cuss, flirt, make phone calls when needed to help others--basically, everything a Christian does and Witnesses condemn. So vent, rave, offer a shoulder when needed--you'll be the better for it in the long run.

AND WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW TO PUT THOSE SMILEY FACES AND ALL THE REST IN THESE POSTS? THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!! Yeah that one I can do.

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Do You Honestly Believe ???

by 67mustang in

when i first found this site i was superised to find so many people like me that had issues with the org.

they say that all the negative info on the net just re-enforces that they are "the chosen ones".

my response to that was, look at your beliefs and doctrines, they are controversial, what do you expect.

Kingpawn

Hey 67Mustang,

Some thoughts on your points (I like your inquiring spirit!):

Take the 1914 prophecy for example. Daniel chapter 4, JW's say 360 day years x 7 = 2520 and from 607bc you get 1914 etc. I had my own theory about the "7 times of Danilel 4" and it's just that a theory, I'm not a prophet, just a man. Ok lets say that 607 was the year which Jerusalem was destroyed, forget the lunar year lets use 365 day year 365x7=2555 which gives you 1949. In 1948 Israel became a state. It's close, but I'm simply showing that it's a guess and really the prophecy is regarding Nebuchadnezzar's rulership, it says nothing of God's chosen ones.

Actually if you assume there was no year 0000 (was that BC or AD?) then 2555-607 does equal 1948. Coincidence? Maybe, and maybe not.

They have always seemed to throw sand in the face of the UN, almost as if picking a fight. I know about the UN/NGO "10 years on the wild beast", (sounds like a rodeo). I think of it like they want to provoke an attack and create a sort of self fullfilling prophecy to say, "look we were right". If they truly are the chosen ones why not let the All Mighty God have his will done w/out them meddling.

Shortly before 1/1/2000 a group of Americans was arrested in Israel. Some church group apparently believed that their actions (they were heavily armed) could bring on Armageddon. Sounds like insanity really is contagious.

If you are to be no part of the world why do some in the org. accept wellfare and other government help. I know a couple in my ol' cong. that line up anytime there is a program for the needy, but they do just fine w/out extra help their business has the market cornered in my area. To me, the Amish

What I was told when in was that since you had paid taxes and were legally entitled to it, get it.

As far as being a successful businessman, if their businesses are sole proprietorships or partnerships they can't draw out more money than they have equity in it (assets minus liabilities equals owner's equity). And if, say, they borrowed a lot of money to improve the place (worldly action, that!) then their debt to equity ratio might be so high they can't borrow more for a while. So to lower that ratio and keep their business liquidity, they would use government programs for their benefit rather than draw down their firm's assets (keep cash flow positive too).

the decision to follow or not. Come on, with a miracle of being brought back from the dead of course you will go along, but us unfortunate ones that had some imperfect witness preaching doctrine at us

Recall the rebellion of Miriam and Korah(?) in the wilderness after the Exodus. Not only had they seen His deliverance of them from Egypt, they'd been fed and watered, their clothing/footwear hadn't worn out, they'd been kept safe, and so on. Even so there was rebellion. So just because the non-JW dead were resurrected is no guarentee they'll follow.

Logic and common sense are always matches for JW doctrine to those willing to hear. But so many are convinced that everything outside the Society is Satan-inspired that they won't hear. All one can do is try.

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Was Mary Magdalene a ...?

by FriendlyFellaAL in

something that always puzzled me as i grew up a witness was where those in mainstream christianity gained the notion that mary magadalene had been a prostitute.

no amount of independent study that i did ever turned up anything to back up the allegation.

does anyone know where such information comes from?

Kingpawn

There was an issue of US News&World Report with the cover story asking what St. Paul really believed. This question was covered in the story as well. The basic feeling was that the moniker "harlot" was applied to a woman who was seen as too influential within a group as a way of crippling that influence.

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Justice Scalia calls JWs "crackpots"

by proplog2 in

jw
friends

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http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/00-1737p.zc1

Kingpawn

I don't read it that way. Looks to me like the "crackpots" he refers to (name-calling by an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court!), are those who'd say "Normally I'd object to having to be licensed in order to exercise my rights to free speech under the Constitution, but because I agree with the other ~~brain-dead morons~~ patriotic citizens that it's wrong to criticize the government and its efforts to ~~rape our civil liberties~~ curb our freedoms to give us security, I won't do so."

Besides the Witnesses will ignore the law (remember "We must obey God as ruler rather than men"). That's one thing that always PO'ed me about the Mormons. If they thought polygamy was God-ordained they should have kept with it and told the government to kiss their many-wedded asses. OK, the government would make some arrests and jail a few. Eventually the public outcry over the persecution would have stopped it.

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Do you hate me?

by SpiceItUp in

jw
friends

perhaps i'm just a bit paranoid..but i get the feeling that there are a few posters that actually hate me (before its assumed--no i'm talking about lack of responses to my threads.. and no i am not talking about a disagreement of opinion) i am talking about a few posters that come across to me as very hateful in their responses.. and yes i know that not everyone here will like me (even though i'm so darn sweet and cute...lol) but it is an intense animosity vibe that i get and can't seem to shake.. maybe i am mistaken and maybe its just me..... but if there is anyone out there that does dislike me that much---i am curious as to why---only because i try to learn and grow everyday and your input would be especially valuable and probably essential to that -growth.. so whats the verdict---do you love me, hate me or just not care either way?.

sincerely yours,.

ps--this is in no way an ego thing--i really want to know!

Kingpawn

JC,
Why are you so cross?

Perhaps He expects a stake in the finances of the WTBTS.

This would be kind of anticlimatic, but what if the WBTS hit the news as the next big accounting scandal?

Spice,

Out of more than six billion people on this planet, there is only one "you." And you are the only person who has to live with yourself, ultimately. Whatever you say and do, make sure you can look at yourself in the mirror next day without regret and all will be fine.

Sure it hurts when people respond badly. No man is an island, the poem says, and we all want to be liked. Xena hit the nail on the head when she said sometimes a post can be misread (can't see facial expressions of the poster at the time, for example) and the original post-er can take the post-ee's response wrong and....

If it keeps up, maybe you should ask the person via e-mail what the problem is. Sometimes when we feel frustrated in our lives and can't release it, we snap at the first person who comes along. They may've been upset at your post for any number of reasons, not at you personally.

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What kind of Apostate are YOU?

by SYN in

jw
friends

that's right, what class of apostate do you fit into?

personally, i'm of the faithless (i'm close to being an athiest) and indiscreet (no explanation needed) class.. are you of the enviable smurf apostate class?

or perhaps even the haunted second-hand furniture apostate class?

Kingpawn

2SYN,

DILLIGAF: Do I Look Like I Give A...er, Frisbee.

(Applied to a guard by some POW's at the "Hanoi Hilton" during the war.)

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Homosexual Big Brothers OMG

by SYN in

ok, i don't see a problem with having a homosexual person looking after a child, but this quote caught my attention:.

themes of adult-child sex are common in gay publications.

the nation's largest gay publisher, alyson publications, which distributes "daddy' s roommate" and other books that promote homosexuality to children, also publishes books advocating man-boy sex, or pedophilia, including:"the radical case," which contains detailed information on how to engage in sexual relations with young boys, and "the age taboo," which claims "boy-lovers ... are not child molesters.

Kingpawn

Bleep,

I couldn't resist!

Homosexuality has become the norm in Satans world.

So everyone here who's straight (including you) is abnormal?

(BTW anyone: how do you get those animated faces--like the one that rolls its eyes--to work? I was going to do that here but remembered it didn't work last time.)

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This is why Interfaith is wrong, bad, and evil

by Quotes in

jw
friends

from the world youth day website (http://www.wyd2002.org/) "i wish to make an earnest call to everyone, christians and the followers of other religions, to work together to build a world without violence, a world that loves life, and grows in justice and solidarity.

" -- pope john paul ii, kazakhstan, september 2001. .

can't you just hear the asleep!

Kingpawn

Man, the nerve of the Pope! The WBTS would be right to not allow its ~~drones~~ chosen ones to do this. What if some peacenik hippie religion was to infect the faithful with the idea of peace when the WBTS has so much invested in war contracts? And with the stock market tanking too! And what about their drive to get their UN library card back too???