Posts by Phizzy

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Jehovah's Witnesses Class Warfare (parallels to Karl Marx)

by Terry in

among jehovah’s witnesses, the elite consists of 144,00 kings and priests who have been specially selected (anointed) to rule in heaven (as transformed spirit beings) over the second group (great crowd) who remain human on a paradise earth.. .

in marxist theory, the elite use wealth to obtain political power and control ideology consisting of shaping the worldview of the underclass.

(their role in society.).

Phizzy

I would like to draw a parallel between Karl Marx himself, and us, as XJW's in one respect.

Marx' idea was that it was an inevitable thing that the Working folk would "wake up" to the fact that their labour was a Commodity to be sold on the open market like any other, and that they would revolt, at least to the extent of making sure that, instead of getting $6.00 for every $100 they produced for their Employer, they got much more. He hoped eventually the the means of production would end up being owned by those very workers.

We as XJW's, at least when we first leave, feel that it is inevitable that the JW's wake up. And then there would be a major exodus.

The parallel in my mind is this, Marx' main fault was that he did not give any idea of how to achieve his Workers Utopia, apart from the vague idea of some sort of Revolution, but how to achieve that ? how do you get the workers to wake up and take united action ?

It is the same for the XJW, how do we get the majority of JW's to wake up, and leave ?

Maybe in both cases something IS happening, Key Workers have had it brought home to them that they are worth more than Minimum Wage, and many JW's are waking up, and slowly leaving.

But in both cases, I fear it will be a very slow process, and may never really be achieved. Utopia for workers, and freedom for JW's seem a long way off.

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Noah’s flood

by dothemath in

a few years ago at one of the conventions, there was a talk on gods remarkable creation.

one of the slides showed a giant sequoia tree, approximately 5000 years old!.

later another talk was about noah etc.

Phizzy

One real killer for the idea of a Global flood, is a plant called Kings Lomatia, It is probably the oldest living thing on the Planet, in that it propagates itself in such a way that the original plant still lives, and is 40,000 years old !

Here is the knock out punch, it could not survive for any length of time under salt water ! I have an e-mail from the Professor who is the World expert on the planet, confirming that fact.

As to which local flood or floods gave rise to the myths, it is difficult to say, but certainly the myths are much older than when Noah's flood was supposed to happen, and no major flood of unusual proportions took place in the Middle East at that time.

So, total Myth the story is.

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Pioneer School Funny Picture

by pale.emperor in

found this on one of the exjw reddit pages.

a "hilarious" group photo.

another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .

Phizzy

truth b known, I always thought it would be great if they threatened to DF me, to say, "But I have never been a member of your religion, how can you DF me from something I have never fellowshipped within ?"

And then go on to outline how, since I left, about 14 years ago, it has All Changed !

It truly is a different religion, not any better really, but I think they have got more sneaky in the way they make today's JW's THINK it is better, allowing them to do silly photo's etc. Oh how those suckers are being conned !

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terrified but waking up, child abuse, suicide etc.

by anon1028 in

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im new to this forum, i dont know where else to post my story, sorry if im wrong for posting this on this subject.

as i begin to wake up from being in the org i thought id introduce myself to this forum with how i was raised in the org..., ive been beginning to look at everyones stories from being raised as one and how they left, and i find comfort in knowing im not alone, so maybe another young person like me will find the same comfort reading my story.

as you can tell by my username, i am posting this on an anonymous account because of fear of what the elders would do to me and my parents if they found out who i was.

Phizzy

Welcome Anon,

I really feel for you in your circumstances, I was born in, and in for decades, when I left I too had thoughts of suicide and sought the help of an excellent Therapist, I was lucky, many people in those professions do not quite get the problem, but even so, any help they can offer should be taken. They are trained to help you to not only cope, but to find your way out of Depression, and to control, or "bury" it forever more.

I am so pleased and grateful I got that help. Within a short time I was O.K again, and I experienced for the first time in my life what real, lasting happiness really was ! As I grew as a person, I became happy in my own skin.

You have a wonderful life of freedom in front of you, you will meet many lovely people, make great friends, and probably fall in love. We only get this one life, as far as we know, it is down to us to work at making it the best we can for ourselves, and make it our aim to make the life of others pleasant too.

All the very best to you ! And come back and Post again, we are here to support and help you through this difficult period, which will end. One day you will feel, and say to yourself, " Isn't life just great ?".

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Pioneer School Funny Picture

by pale.emperor in

found this on one of the exjw reddit pages.

a "hilarious" group photo.

another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .

Phizzy

If we did not know anything about this photo, just came across it somewhere, what would be your honest first impression ?

The words weird and retards come to my mind, no disrespect to J.W's intended, I mean that WOULD have been my first impression, that they came from some sort of Home for people with " difficulties".

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What Has Happened To This Site

by Pants of Righteousness in

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sorry, off to get my gun..

Phizzy

This Site has changed a lot over the last decade or so, many of the really erudite Posters we used to have contributing , no longer do so. There is always the Search Button for people to find their excellent Posts.

It still remains a place where exiting J.W's can receive advice and support, of varying quality.

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Australia - Selling Off Assets

by Pants of Righteousness in

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this article seems to confirm what we already knew:.

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-selling-off-assets-and-moving-cash-to-avoid-sex-abuse-compensation-ng-08ffe6d55e293182580d9e34b4400088?transactionid=72145.

Phizzy

Thanks for the info, Cheeses ! and good to hear from you again !

I too detest the Evil Org., especially over their disgusting handling of the Child Abuse issue. I do not feel great antipathy to individual J.W's , but cannot have respect for them, they support this Money making Scam that is J.W Org , and therefore Aid and Abet the continuing Abuse, of various kinds, that is rife within the J.W's.

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--- the queen, prettiest "king of the south" you have ever seen!

by waton in

when daniel was discussed in the cherished private home "book study", that was the slogan that had been coined:.

zenobia of palmyra, the queen, prettiest king of the south you have ver seen, sung to some ditty melody.

making, having fun then.

Phizzy

This is not an "Update", the change to the King of the North etc, by the Watchtower. It is a complete denial that what they taught as "truth", was in fact truth, it was nothing of the kind, as neither has been every rejected explanation of Scripture by them.

If you point this out, they come up with the phrase "Present truth", but , as Charles Taze Russell pointed out, if what was taught was truth, then "new truth" would simply add to that truth, if the latter was totally rejected, it was not truth.

They therefore show that they have mostly taught error, for 150 years nearly, as truth, and yet if you did not swallow down this utter Bullshit at the time, you would be out on your ear , and lose family and friends.

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ExJws Should Know Better Than To Just Accept Things And Follow The Leader

by minimus in

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i would think that exjws would exercise more critical thinking than not.

now we are thrust in this “ world” and take sides on social issues and politics.. just because our government leaders say something it doesn’t mean it’s right.

just because the majority of the news media tells us how we should think, it doesn’t mean we have to follow.

Phizzy

I forgot to add, Thank You Anna Marina, for your comments, most helpful, and they have further added to my knowledge !

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ExJws Should Know Better Than To Just Accept Things And Follow The Leader

by minimus in

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i would think that exjws would exercise more critical thinking than not.

now we are thrust in this “ world” and take sides on social issues and politics.. just because our government leaders say something it doesn’t mean it’s right.

just because the majority of the news media tells us how we should think, it doesn’t mean we have to follow.

Phizzy

I was born in, and in for nearly 6 decades. My critical Thinking skills were close to Nil. But, I had ever since I was very young, a thirst for knowledge, which I still have. I always read a lot. Still do.

But most of my J.W contemporaries were downright lazy, they read little, and thought less, I think the ones who read a fair bit and thought a bit, nearly all left before me. In fact one Elder said to me " We are losing all the intelligent ones", which made me wonder, but not quite enough at that time.

I think the ones who have left in the last few years are often of the " Lazy Class" LOL, so used to having been spoon fed what they should read and think, that they have lazy reading habits, and nil Critical Thinking skills. You can see that by the comments they make on here , and the questions they ask. of course there are exceptions to this generalisation.

It does take a little effort to read enough, and then you need to Fact Check what you have read, google etc can often be false friends.

But it is such a joy to be able to spot bullshit straight away, or at least in a short time of Fact Checking, such a joy to round out your knowledge, and a joy to not be misled.

The Lazy Class are not using their freedom as they should, and are missing out on becoming what they should.