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  Are You Ready For This?

  by Anna Marina in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu0xdk2-4bs.

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  Phizzy

  Stan Livedeath : " the cong. I was in organised a coach at very short notice to attend a mini one evening assembly at a stadium in London UK. Brother Knorr was coming to give a talk !. That prick was treated like god itself! "

  My cong. did the same, all my family went, my father said afterwards that he was disgusted with the prolonged applause at the mere appearance of Knorr on the Platform, and the same at the end, muppets clapping until their hands exploded, "It is glorifying man !" he said. I too, as a teenager, felt uncomfortable at that, before dad's comment.

  My father passed away more than two decades ago, I wonder what he would think NOW !
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  Another one.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/aug/15/lawsuit-claims-former-spokane-jehovahs-witness-lea/ .

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  Phizzy

  How very widespread the paedophile problem was, and no doubt still is, among the the J.W's.

  There is an excellent Drama series that shows this problem in the fictional Congregation featured in the drama called "The Secrets She Keeps" , now on BBC iplayer. I recommend watching both series 1 & 2, the J.W's will criticise the "mistakes" about J.W Org that feature, but it is a Drama, not a Documentary, and really is very good as a Drama, surprising twists and turns, a good Plot ! the fact it features J.W's is incidental.
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  Will the faithful slave now allow birthdays..........

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  .....or ban jw sisters from using mascara??????

  "the bible never refers to a servant of god celebrating a birthday.

  this is not simply an oversight, for it does record two birthday celebrations by those not serving god.

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  Phizzy

  Thank you RolRod, for exposing the crass stupidity of the Org's and G.B's argument on this.

  Also many of "God's servants" ARE recorded as doing things that the Org. does not allow, or Society either for that matter, keeping Slaves for one, see the Letter to Philemon. He was a Christian Slave owner.
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  Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. scandals

  why has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?

  considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!

  book " man's search for god.what do you think?

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  Phizzy

  Anna Marina said " Islam is a made up religion ".

  Every religion is made up, by men.

  Also " with no history "

  Coming from the 7th century A.D. it is not much younger than the Christianity of today.

  "Biahi", above, mentions the REAL reason for J.W's avoiding preaching to Islam.
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  Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking a bit about this the other day.

  ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.

  some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....

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  Phizzy

  From JF Facts Site " It was not until the 1950's that the Watchtower specifically outlined its censorship of blood transfusions , over 80 years after the commencement of the Watchtower Society. If the doctrine on blood is such a critical doctrine, one must wonder why God would wait so many decades before revealing it as such through the Watchtower."

  Rutherford laid the foundation for this murderous, unscriptural Doctrine to develop, by stating that the Law to Noah on Blood was binding on all humans. Franz. F. was the mover behind the 1950's finalisation of a death sentence for many J.W's ,including children.
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  Bring on the YOUNG elders

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become elders.

  beings jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, i would think that would sort of be an age gauge...the older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.

  ( that's my slant ) how will the ones who have been jw for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?

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  Phizzy

  I guess this is a repeat of a similar push that took place in the late 80's or early 90's, I forget exactly when.

  All around the Circuit, and I guess Countrywide, young fellers were made Elder or MS, guys who had been knocking at the door, trying to get the status, for years. This seemed to be as a precursor to forming new Congos. splitting the big ones into two, or three even, then selling off K.H's where they could. This memory comes from before the later operation which got even more K.H's sold off.

  This was looked upon with some disdain and suspicion by the older or long serving J.W's, they knew these guys had not been considered up to the mark for a good while, and all of a sudden, the C.O visits, and a dozen new Appointments ? Why didn't the Holy Spirit appoint these guys before ? They had not changed, or suddenly become more "spiritual".

  I guess now such appointments are being made because the older Elders and M.S's are no longer serving. But it is pure desperation, and a further dumbing down of the "Religion".
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  Did you ever meet someone born in the 1800’s?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. experiences

  i met freddie franz who was born in the 1880’s and many others from the 1880’s.

  but as a very small child i remember someone very old aged 106 and that person was born around 1856 which means that he was around people from the 1700’s..

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  Phizzy

  I met my grandparents, and a great Aunt, all born in the 1800's. But they all died before I was four.
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  New and improved?

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have a family member who had been df'ed for 15 years or so...recently they reinstated as a jw.

  when i asked what motivated them to make that decision, the response was to be able to see family and old friends.

  they insisted that things were different now.

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  Phizzy

  One Elder a while ago tried to sell the religion back to me, he knew I had always been a keen student of the Bible, so he said the religion had changed, well, being on here, I knew that ! but he added "We now use the Bible much more than when you left" Ha Ha Ha.

  They may or may not quote more cherry picked verses, but of course they still twist Scripture, and don't of course ever admit that the Bible cannot be taken literally, is not the word of god, and is about 95% pure Fiction.
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Phizzy

  They are stuck with 1914 for a while yet, as they have to keep the idea of an imminent Armageddon in the minds of J.W's, or many more would leave.

  They have debated at the top level many times over the decades how to extricate themselves from the 1914 nonsense, and came up with nothing that would work to keep the Org. going for perpetuity. Hence the stop-gap Overlapping Generation nonsense.

  The REAL problem they have is simply expressed as :

  No 1914 = No choosing by Jesus in 1919 = The Governing Body are self-appointed Charlatans.

  I have no doubt they will extricate themselves from this impasse, but mainly by burying the teachings in a miasma of "New Light", until 1914 is as forgotten and irrelevant as Russell's Pyramidology.
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  Phizzy

  Free Will and Determinism will be debated by every generation of Philosophers.

  Neither, it seems, exist in the absolute, determinism does not seem to fit in with Quantum Mechanics, and so many factors affect our choices that we cannot say we are truly Free, or that our Will is something that we control 100%.

  But we DO have choices, we need the strength of character to make good ones.