Posts by Phizzy

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Apostates

by tfjw in

jehovah's witnesses basically define the term "apostate" as someone who was once a member of the "organization" (a jehovah's witness) but no longer follows the teachings, rules, regulations and practices.

the society gives their official definition in the following manner: "apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of god, actually a rebellion against jehovah god.

some apostates profess to know and serve god but reject teachings or requirements set out in his word.

Phizzy

Apostasy as used in N.T Greek refers not to a person merely "standing apart" from her or his former Christian Faith, just ceasing activity with the congregation, it is the idea of withdrawing from communion with the church deliberately, and is more often associated with going to a new or former pagan belief in preference to the Christian one, including Idolatry of course.

I think the Org does in words, in its literature, draw a distinction between an inactive person, and someone embracing opposing beliefs to the Org. The problem is that in practice, even the merely inactive are treated by the Rank and File J.W's as though they are out and out Apostates. And the org. wants this to be so, even if the reasons for inactivity have nothing to do with Doctrine, but, as is more than likely, to do with the way the Org and its members work, "mistreating the flock" in many ways, that individual is as dangerous from the Org's point of view as someone like me who can demolish their house of cards that is their teaching, in a heartbeat.

So the Org. uses "apostate" as a demonising word, aimed at all who no longer actively support the org, to trigger certain behaviour in the faithful, that will ensure they remain entrapped in the Cult.

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Honest Hearted Ones

by Sea Breeze in

there are certain wt terms that sound biblical but really just puff up the pride.

hundreds of times the wt has used the term honest-hearted in their literature.

it sounds biblical, if for no other reason because we hear it so often in jw circles.

Phizzy

The expression "honest-hearted ones" is used as part of the Mind Control technique used by the Org. it is a thought stopper, especially when used like this "Honest-hearted ones accept..... " , or worse " honest-hearted ones do not question or doubt... ".

They use it upon the members, and the Public, no one likes to think they are not honest-hearted, so the gullible go along with the nonsense the Org spews out after using that expression.

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Upbringing

by punkofnice in

i was brought up as a born-in(tm) here in the uk.

it wasn't until i was 50 that the scales fell from my eyes, i woke up, got da'd from the cult and my wife was advised to leave me by the elders whom i had served with on the boe.

one of which i know wanted to schtupf her.

Phizzy

Similar for me , born in, late 50's when I woke up, nearly 60 wasted years ! I never felt anger at my parents, they did the best according to their lights.

What I find frustrating is when I have to hold my tongue with J.W family, I know all that they know, but know a ferkin' LOT more !

And when they spout a bit of nonsense, I have to keep quiet, or risk widening the already existing rift. It doesn't come naturally to me, keeping silent anyway, but especially when nonsense bullshite is being spoken.

Frustrating, but one day, maybe, some of 'em will wake up, will I be able to refrain from laughing at them ? For not doing so earlier ? I doubt it, but I ain't perfect am I ?

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

Phizzy

Will Ukraine win ? First off , there are never any winners in War.

Will Ukraine push Russian forces out out their Country ? maybe.

My fear is that the Russian forces are merely pulling back for the Winter, and will dig in, until the Spring. And then a big offensive will be mounted again.

The only weakness in this tactic is that a good number of Soldiers will be given leave , return home, and tell the truth about the war, which most Russians do not get. It is my hope that Public Opinion in Russia will turn against this War, and bring it to an end.

That may be a vain hope. I still think a Spring Offensive will go ahead anyway, but hopefully that will fail dismally, for Putin.

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

Phizzy

Bartolomeo3 days ago

"if in a future time they were to review and scrap 1914 the date of 1919 and the related teaching would automatically fall as a domino."

and for those of us who know the 1914 thing is just laughably crazed nonsense, because we spent a few minutes investigating it, we can already determine that the G.B are self appointed Charlatans.

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Starting September 01, 2022, the Angels will help in the ministry work

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

2022 governing body update # 6. what exciting news david splane has for all jehovah's witnesses ( who for the last three years were spared the house-to-house preaching work ) '' that we'll return to the ministry september 01, 2022. just in time for our world wide campaign to start bible studies.

and, i'm sure the angels are excited too, because it will give them opportunities to help us with our ministry.''.

not only will the witnesses be rusty in their return to the field ministry, the angels in heaven have been sitting idle while the pandemic stopped the house-to-house ministry.

Phizzy

When Wifey and I were both in, years before I left, we had one of those things announced by the org. that they said was so "exciting" for us, my wife said, "I don't find that exciting, do you ?" , I laughed and agreed with her. I think she was becoming PIMO before I was !

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question/s for the PIMO

by enoughisenough in

to maintain the facade of being a jw, when doing the ministry, are you not advocating for the gb?

the bible studies, after all are to get people to understand they can't gain life without the "faithful slave" ( you have to be baptized as jw to survive) .how does it make you feel?

if you are parroting an answer in a paragraph that you know is wrong, how does it make you feel?

Phizzy

An Elder said to me once, as he and I went together in F.S. "Let's only use the Bible today, no mags or anything". I thought it a great idea, having been aware all my J.W life that the teachings we were supposed to impart from the org. were not Biblical in the main. I did that from then on , as a person who was already somewhat PIMO.

One lady I called on said "I like you coming round to tell me about the Bible, but I can't stand those Jehovah's Witnesses" !! Said it all.

My J.W parents taught me to be a Lover of Truth, even if what they believed was not truth, and eventually when I realised the extent of the error made by the org. in Doctrine, I could not remain in. I walked away, regardless of what I may lose, as my conscience forced me to.

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Increased Watchtower Income

by Lost in the fog in

in the united kingdom.. .

https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/over-1000-charities-combine-in-one-of-largest-mergers-ever.html .

Phizzy

StephnieLaliberte, I am willing to bet, not a huge sum, I am a poor pensioner! but say £5.00, that this move, in some way, REMOVES the risk of Prosecution for J.W org itself.

Not being my field of Legal expertise I cannot imagine how, apart from this: the K.H Trust is both a charity and a Trust, that may alter things, in that individual J.W's, even Bodies of Elders, are only Donating to a Charitable Trust ,and cannot be considered Agents of that Trust/Charity, while engaged in the work that their Congregation does to make converts, and to conduct meetings etc. The individual perpetrator,and The Congregation could still be sued, but only for what assets they have. Not much in other words, the day to day expenses are now removed from the Congregation's responsibility, they all pay in to a Fund, and those expenses are paid from that. The Scam gets bigger !

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Are You Ready For This?

by Anna Marina in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu0xdk2-4bs.

Phizzy

Stan Livedeath : " the cong. I was in organised a coach at very short notice to attend a mini one evening assembly at a stadium in London UK. Brother Knorr was coming to give a talk !. That prick was treated like god itself! "

My cong. did the same, all my family went, my father said afterwards that he was disgusted with the prolonged applause at the mere appearance of Knorr on the Platform, and the same at the end, muppets clapping until their hands exploded, "It is glorifying man !" he said. I too, as a teenager, felt uncomfortable at that, before dad's comment.

My father passed away more than two decades ago, I wonder what he would think NOW !

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Another one.

by Lost in the fog in

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/aug/15/lawsuit-claims-former-spokane-jehovahs-witness-lea/ .

Phizzy

How very widespread the paedophile problem was, and no doubt still is, among the the J.W's.

There is an excellent Drama series that shows this problem in the fictional Congregation featured in the drama called "The Secrets She Keeps" , now on BBC iplayer. I recommend watching both series 1 & 2, the J.W's will criticise the "mistakes" about J.W Org that feature, but it is a Drama, not a Documentary, and really is very good as a Drama, surprising twists and turns, a good Plot ! the fact it features J.W's is incidental.