Posts by Phizzy

The references to Jesus are all much later than the time he was supposed to have lived, a Century or more, and are only repeating the already established Mythology about him, not reporting historical facts.

I am 100% convinced the Jesus of the Gospels is an entirely a Mythical, Fictional Figure, until I see irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

If there was a man the mythos was based upon, perhaps one living in the later years pre C.E, who was crucified, that is of no relevance to proving the mythical "Jesus".

As the Thread Title says, rightly, Jesus never existed !

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Some Seasonal Nostalgia

by NotFormer in

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can't find any references, so you'll just have to trust me on this one.

i remember, probably at least two decades ago, a small news snippet about someone was going around brooklyn heights and setting fire to christmas wreaths on people's doors.

i've always personally suspected* that it was a bored/semi-insane bethelite.

Phizzy

I always loved Christmas, the family all came to my place, some travelling from overseas to be with us, we had a big traditional Christmas Dinner, and plenty of Booze !

A good number of J.W's that I knew had the "substitute Christmas", presents on another day, I always saw that as slightly hypocritical then, but would not view it that way now of course !

In recent years we have done the full thing, well almost, but big presents for the grandkids, decorations, and even, Shock Horror, a Tree , a bloody great big real one, one year.

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JW's face certain death NOW.....

by BoogerMan in

...if they openly question/disagree with a current truth from the evil faithful slave - "truths" such as this one: .

w83 10/1 p. 19 - "...a large number of the 1914 generation are still living today.

of course, their numbers are steadily dwindling, and, therefore, sometime in the near future, we confidently can expect “the end” to come...".

Phizzy

The unjust thing about such a disfellowshipping, if what you said was later taken up by the G.B as "Noo Lite!" you would not automatically be re-instated, if you wanted to be. Maybe not re-instated if you requested it, in that you should not have disagreed with the G.B at the time, you were being "Disloyal", why should one be loyal to an opinion by the G.B if it is not Truth ??

If I had loudly voiced my many disagreements with the G.B's opinions ( and that is all they are) over the years, I would have been DF'd multiple times !

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Diogenes and Jesus

by NotFormer in

the greek philosopher diogenes supposedly wandered around carrying a lit lantern, purportedly looking for an honest man.

in 1919, the watchtower jesus supposedly wandered around looking for a religion that had "the truth"..

Phizzy

As Ex-Governing Body member Ray Franz said in one of his Books, (I quote from memory) : "To say that they were chosen in 1919 on the basis of what they taught then, is an Insult to Jesus". I would add, also an Insult to our Intelligence.

I rather like Diogenes of Sinope, the First Hippy, especially his dictum that Virtue is best displayed in Action, rather than Theory !

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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

by carla in

not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

i did a quick search and did not see it.

https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

Phizzy

he tried to influence witnesses, to pervert the course of Justice, how did he get the opportunity to do this I wonder ?

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FDS 1919 Declaration Date

by NotFormer in

did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

such as some calculation attached to 1914?

that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

Phizzy

607 BCE, and therefore 1914 etc. HAVE been thoroughly proven to be totally false ! and by several strands of evidence !

Not least the Babylonian Clay Tablets that give an undeniable timeline based upon Astronomical Observations at the time they occurred, all, for other reasons than our interest, confirmed by NASA.

The House of Cards that consist of the J.W. Org's outrageous Claims and teachings fell down a long time ago.

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Talk Outline needed

by vienne in

i need the talk outline connected to the handbill pictured here:.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/11/talk-outline.html.

Phizzy

" the only ones in the earth who are praising and blessing the most important, the most wonderful and the most holy name in all the universe, the name of Jehovah! "

Another lie of course, plenty of Churches use the name, or a version of it, not just in their Services, as the Sacred Name Movement has since the 19th Century,but a number have it in their Church Title, Assemblies of Yahweh, also called Yahweh's Witnesses !

I wonder if Vienne ever found that Outline ? I would love to see it, I must have sat, very bored, through that talk, as a very young kid.

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Nobody else understands

by ElderBerry in

if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

Phizzy

I met a JW some years ago, not long after I left, 2 years or so, one I would describe as merely "hanging on", as he gave away himself, I asked him why he was still "in", he replied "Because I can't help thinking something is going to happen".

This shows how deep the indoctrination goes, especially that fear of the nonsense idea of "Armageddon". Once you research properly, you come to appreciate that the Writer of "Revelation" insisted all his predictions would be fulfilled shortly after the time in which he wrote, they were not, so all his predictions are FAILED ones.

To look for a "later fulfillment" of already failed predictions, is just plain silly !

There will be no Biblical "Armageddon".

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New meeting format

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

Phizzy

Just getting back to the O.P, and the steady dumbing down of the teaching of how to present their faith to the public, that does explain why J.W's today are so inept. They cannot defend their beliefs, they just refer a person to the god-awful Cult-like Org. Web Site.

We had many examples, culled from textbooks , of how to do it.

I even remember one from before the ones mentioned by St.George, it was called "Equipped for Every Good Work" IIRC, and was itself dumbed down, by another new book, by the time I was old enough to join the TMS.