yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?
they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?
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That expression goes back a long way I guess, I think probably used by the Org. itself in a WT Mag ??
That always sounded weird to my English ear, I had a mental picture of me carrying a tray with a Drink on to Jehovah ! With me in a Waiter's Uniform ! But I have heard many English J.W's come out with that one !
I am sure it was started as a Mind Control phrase, for all those who were saying, to quote the Buybull : "But where is this promised presence of his ?".
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/19/in-defence-of-katharine-birbalsingh/?fbclid=iwar0l-ykyemshg4qrkqiz2mycak-uwfw_vgtmacx3glwidsgrqoowagywuza.
of course the main issues this raises are far more important than than the mention of j.w's crazy views on magic..
Of course the main issues this raises are far more important than than the mention of J.W's crazy views on magic.
6 and he said, it is too small a thing that thou shouldest be servant to me to raise up the sons of jacob, and to bring back the netzurei yisroel (preserved of israel,); i will also give thee for ohr goyim, that thou mayest be my yeshuah unto the ketzeh ha’aretz.. 2nd isaiah, actually an anonymous prophet at the time of cyrus, did his best to inspire and hearten his fellow countrymen.
many judahites had lost hope and even lost faith.
the explanations offered by previous prophets, namely that their own sins had resulted in their situation, were not adequate nor convincing.
About the Writer of that Article " Phil is a Bible teacher and evangelist ".
I think we need take no notice of what is a mere opinion, from someone whom is not an accredited Scholar of O.T texts , with qualifications from a real University and well respected in that Field of Study.
Please try harder.
hi pepeep am attempting to get a current list of uk travelling overseers.
left 4 years ago and have heard rumours of many new ones.
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Many of those DO's and C.O's and their wives spent most of their lives in working for the Org. When they reached retirement, the Org. left them entirely to the "tender mercies" of the Congregation they ended up in.
I don't know if that has improved over the last decade or so ?
I expect a good number that I knew in my decades in have died, and a number more are not far off. A huge number of sad , wasted lives we are mentioning on this Thread.
6 and he said, it is too small a thing that thou shouldest be servant to me to raise up the sons of jacob, and to bring back the netzurei yisroel (preserved of israel,); i will also give thee for ohr goyim, that thou mayest be my yeshuah unto the ketzeh ha’aretz.. 2nd isaiah, actually an anonymous prophet at the time of cyrus, did his best to inspire and hearten his fellow countrymen.
many judahites had lost hope and even lost faith.
the explanations offered by previous prophets, namely that their own sins had resulted in their situation, were not adequate nor convincing.
Thank you both for your contributions to this Site, PP has for many years made excellent Thread subjects, adding to my knowledge and sending me on quests for more !
P.S, welcome (belatedly) to this rather unique place, and you as well have kindly added to my knowledge and given me impetus to research further, thanks. Long may you both grace these Pages !
By writing for us a correct understanding of Scripture, based upon real, honest, Exegesis and Hermeneutics you expose the paucity of knowledge that the JW Org. writers have, how wrong ( and in my view, Infantile) their approach to understanding the Scriptures is. This is all a tremendous help to those leaving the Org. Thanks again.
i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
" Better an end with horror than a horror without end " a good phrase ! And one that describes my attitude when I walked away. I did not know what would happen, but knew I could not endure being a J.W anymore.
https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.
the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.
like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.
The "sheer desperation" of that claim, "Religious Texts" FFS, is laughable, and will be rightly ignored when it comes to matters of Policy and Practice, such material is vital and very relevant Evidence, which the Court has to consider before making a Ruling.
I shall watch this further debacle for the org. unfold !
One lad I knew came home for a visit to his parents, and said to me in a disappointed voice "There is nothing Spiritual in Bethel ", how different from how J.W's imagine life in Bethel to be !
this thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..
" should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism. " Except J.W's they think and act, because they "have the truth".......... in their uneducated minds.
i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.
see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.
so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.
" so I am wondering if it is more difficult to leave/fade if you are a high hour publisher vs low hour, MS or elder vs rank and file..."
I wondered how difficult it would be when I just walked away. I was a MS, a high genuine hours Pub. and from a very well known JW family, with JW connections back to the early 1900's.
It was surprisingly easy ! I heard nothing for six months ! despite being not only all of the above, but the very best meeting Attender in my Congregation, always there.
I got the two Elder visit, which they claimed was a "Shepherding call", no Shepherding went on, they just tried to find a way to DF me !
I swatted their pathetic attempts aside, as I did on the second and last occasion. Good luck to anyone "leaving", even if it is only in their mind and not physically so much for now.
Be prepared, forearmed, and then enjoy Freedom of Mind !
