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  U.K. Nurse Vaccinated With Covid Shot Has Covid Weeks After Getting Vac!

  by minimus in

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  someone i know from england is a nurse.

  she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.

  she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.

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  Phizzy

  She probably got the first dose of the vaccine, which offers a bit of protection. The second dose has to be given within 6 to 12 weeks, and then one month after that you should be pretty well protected.
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  Jehovah`s Witnesses owe their existence to Christendom`s groundwork.

  by smiddy3 in

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  1.jehovah`s witnesses base their bible on christendoms determination of what books of scripture were to become what is known as the bible today,going back to the third century ad.. there were many ,many other books of scripture in existence at that time that these men decided in their own imperfect wisdom not to include them .. where it suited them the jw / gb would use the research of christendoms learned men who compiled bible dictionary`s and bible concordances.. 2.by far the vast majority of jehovah`s witnesses today are off-shoots of many of christendom`s religions from whom they poached members from and then gave birth to their own offspring to grow in numbers.. with all of there self praise of witnessing in all of the earth ,it is mainly wholly contained in lands where christendom has established the major religion of that land and jw`s have poached the most vulnerable people of that time.. 3.how many thousands of people have they converted in bangladesh ?

  pakistan ?

  china ?

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  Phizzy

  You are just so right in your O.P Smiddy3 !

  The J.W Org likes to present itself as something special, as though they are superior to Christendom and its Scholars. The truth of the matter is that ALL they are is plagiarisers and adaptors of the work of others. And they make a poor job of that !!

  I could do better, working on the foundation laid before, than they do, idiots. Russell was an arch plagiariser , using the works of Adventists before him, and other works by loonies like Piazzi-Smythe with his Pyramidology. The Org ever since have not, in common with Russell, actually had an idea that is entirely their own.

  They adapted ideas of others, who were members of Christendom, to come up with everything, except perhaps, I have to admit, the Overlapping Generation, yes, they thought that one up, and what a Doozy it is !

  But for everything else they rely upon the people of " Apostate" Christendom ! ( as they call it ).

  The problem they have had for a decade or more, is, where to go for inspiration ? The Scholars of Christendom and others who study the Bible or parts thereof, are becoming far more honest, and pointing out that it is all really Fiction. So, the question is, where will " New Light" come from ? They can no longer rely on a supply from outside, and no one in the org has the necessary knowledge or understanding to come up with a new direction for them.

  So, they are stuck with trying to flog the dead horse of a 19th Century Apocalyptic End Time message that is WAY past its sell by date.
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  This Lady is making a difference ! J W Org take note !

  by Phizzy in

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  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/grace-tame-australian-of-the-year-speech-in-full/13091710?fbclid=iwar2dnw0nqhe1i6g9s9paha3aluft0tjuyeus64hm2o_ivnhnnvex2yf-7lm.

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  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/grace-tame-australian-of-the-year-speech-in-full/13091710?fbclid=IwAR2dnW0nQHe1I6G9s9PAha3AlUft0tjuYEuS64hm2o_iVNHnNvEX2yf-7lM
  
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  Keystone XL Pipeline & Watchtower Research

  by IWant2Leave in

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  you may know that president joe biden canceled the permits for the xl canadian pipeline on his first day in office.

  this was a controversial move, and there has been discussion and videos floating around the office where i work.

  one of my co-workers showed a video of all the jobs being lost.

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  Just to pick up on a good point made in the O.P , This > : " if you go to a source that supports a subject, all you get is information that supports that viewpoint. Makes sense?".

  That is so true, and wants pointing out to any JW who directs you to the Org's Site for info. I would say to such JW's something like " If you wanted to find out the truth about the Mormon religion, would you simply go the THEIR Site and blindly accept what it says ?".
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  Stats of bible studies vs baptisms

  by joey jojo in

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  david splane once again 'davesplaning' facts and figures.

  10 million bible studies and 200 000 baptisms.

  how many of these would be jw kids with no choice?

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  Phizzy

  I was born in to the Cult in the early 1950's, nearly all the adults were converts to the Cult. This slowly diminished over the decades, now it is as rare as Rocking Horse poo for someone to become a convert, and even then, most of those do not come from " cold calling" type work, but via relatives or work colleagues etc.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Started By Christiandom

  by mrquik in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a little background first.

  my first father- in-law, levi peterson was born in 1889. he personally knew rutherford.

  he started the newark, ny congregation.

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  Phizzy

  On the matter of the uttering of the Divine Name aloud, how do JW Org justify this ? They say that the Jewish religion was the True Religion until the death of Jesus or thereabouts.

  Then they say as the Gospel does , that god said " Your House is abandoned to you". From then on, faith in Christ was the thing.

  But, for all those Centuries, Yahweh had obviously smiled upon the reverential practice of only the High Priest uttering The Name aloud, once a year. Others disagree, on what evidence I know not, but I would argue that no one, including Jesus, among the ordinary Jewish folk, uttered the Name aloud.

  So, why do Jehovah's Witnesses ? also obviously causing others to as they utter the name of the org, a practice that Jehovah did not approve in direct word, ever it seems.
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  JWs Were Right About Something

  by minimus in

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  they used to say the world governments would turn on religion.

  i think this part is coming true.

  however they also said since jehovah’s witnesses were going to be the only religion left the governments were going to focus on the “eyeball”of jehovah, his people.

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  Phizzy

  I don't think Governments are "turning on religion" at all, in any major way, yes a Hindu Government in India is making life Hell for its Muslim subjects, but that is not a general " turning on religion" as outlined by JW's.

  What is happening is that people are demanding Human Rights, and more often than not some aspects of religions are denying people those rights.

  Religious affiliation is falling fast in many Nations, even the benighted USA ! There is no need for Governments to deal harshly with religion in a general way, as it is moribund anyway.

  So, as with Bible predictions of all sorts, or Bible based ones, the JW prediction in this case, has not, and IMHO will not, come true in the terms in which it is written.
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  Moses got it wrong- The Ark was round

  by fulltimestudent in

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  not a new subject, i think i have posted on this before, as well as others.

  but, i came across a british museum video (on youtube) in which a bm curator tells of his discovery of a cuneiform tablet outlining the assyrian story of the flood and the (round) ark.. the bm curator was dr irving finkel, deputy keeper of middle east at the british museum, he explains that one day a member of the public brought in an old family heirloom.

  it all started with a fairly normal event for a museum: a member of the public bringing in an old family heirloom - a cuneiform tablet from around 1750 bc which proved to be one in a million.. finkel proceeded to decipher this tablet.

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  " Moses got it wrong " . It is not all " Moses" got wrong in Genesis, the order of "Creation" being one example.

  I can imagine the Writer or Writers posing as Moses thinking it was a good idea to change the dimensions of the Ark as they created their own Story, but I am sure they were very familiar with exactly what the Babylonian story said, as that is what they had grown up with !

  The whole putting together of a false History for the Hebrews is an interesting area of Study, a Study in the creation of a National Identity, and though we can now see the many fictions in the claims it makes, it is quite cleverly done. Clever enough to fool subsequent generations down until this day that it is a true record. Clever enough to cause Israel to claim it has historical rights which it does not.
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  The Marcionite Hypothesis

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  i'm still working on the hebrew bible for my book but looking ahead most of my research had fallen into place as i take month off from research., when it come to the nt most people accept what is commonly called markian priority.

  this common theory says that mark was written in 70 ad and then a saying gospel of jesus called q was combined with this to make matthew and luke sometimes around 100 ad.

  john as later.

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  Phizzy

  Josephus refers to various people called Jesus, and in some Manuscripts says of one of them " also called Christus", both Jesus and Christus being common names. And people being known by more than one name being a common thing too.

  If Josephus wanted to speak about the Jesus of Christians he would have said " Jesus of Nazareth" to identify him.

  The fact that Christians had to put a fake reference in to Josephus at some point says it all. It was exposed as fake when an earlier MS. was found, and it was not in there.

  No MS. of Josephus exists earlier than about 1000 A.D.
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  EXCELLENT F.B Post re: latest Borg Mind Control etc

  by Phizzy in

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  from william.

  h. bowen on facebook :.

  alienation and garbage the new message of jehovah’s witnesses.

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  Phizzy

  From William. H. Bowen on Facebook :

  Alienation and Garbage the New Message of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  JWorg does a broadcast each month to all members and the public at large. In these public addresses they cover topics of concern to leadership and use the information to keep members in line. Jehovah’s Witnesses over the years have followed basic mind control techniques that while simplistic, have worked well in keeping members in line and ostracizing former members. In recent years a noted change has occurred in which the mind control programming has become far more sophisticated with the use of social media. The organization has apparently spent serious money to utilize psychological coercion to such a profound extent that even babies will be subject to mental manipulation through the use of cartoons and other social media. Why?

  JWorg is simply trying to increase their recidivism; they want members to not leave and have deep inner core programming installed that prevents them from using critical thinking skills thus never leaving the organization. JWs have so much material to review and cover on a weekly basis they have no time to look at anything outside the religion. If confronted with material that would be considered subversive, they immediately go onto shut down mode as they feel they have not kept up to date with their own material and of course have no time for anything that would challenge their faith. In the past, few members actually read the flagship journals; Watchtower and Awake other than what was covered in the weekly Watchtower Study. New books were so convoluted and boring they were mostly covered in the weekly book study arrangement as well. So what we see is much more sophisticated to keep members following JWorg programming. Video is much more powerful than the written word as it includes visual as well as hearing the material. Now every Kingdom Hall has a huge monitor that is used every week to disseminate church dogma. Members all have tablets, that broadcast material non-stop anytime of the day and they are encouraged to review frequently. As a result JWs have a non-stop pipeline of mind manipulation that makes them much more hard core to obey and follow without question anything they are told to do.

  The result? A mindless cacophony of people that cannot think for themselves that are susceptible to any manipulation the home office chooses to dole out. February broadcast of JWorg offers an extreme example of how completely horrific these manipulations can be. In one particular part of the hour+ long broadcast a “given one” (this is a special assistant to the Governing Body) offers a visual illustration involving loaves of bread. The representation has a message and that missive was; it is too late for those that have rejected the Governing Body to return to JWorg.

  Based on this new “Garlic Bread” parable in this airing there was an illustration using three loaves of bread. The point made is that the doors of the ark have been closed shut by Jehovah's hand for most of us.

  According to the new parable that can be found on JW Broadcasting. All people/witnesses fall into three categories of garlic bread contamination.

  Ingredients:

  Garlic powder= Adams sin/your sins/ grieving the spirit etc...

  Toxic oil= Unforgivable

  Mud = Gross sin

  Using three loaves each one was described as follows:

  Loaf 1:

  *This describes the person who sins against the spirit and commits unforgivable sins and become stained with toxic oil. You are beyond repair therefore Jehovah WILL throw you into the trash can now to save you for final destruction at Armageddon.

  · What is considered unforgivable sin? Someone who sins against the ‘Holy Spirit’; See W07 7/15 p.20 under the heading “Have You Sinned Against the Holy Spirit?” it states: “an apostate who has rejected spiritual light..”

  · So if you reject the GB as God’s only true word on earth you are considered trash to be discarded and not worth saving.

  Loaf 2:

  This is the person who commits serious or gross sin and breaks one of Jehovah's moral laws. This is comparable to mud therefore the side of the bread is dipped into mud.............But there's good news if you repent Jehovah will cut the dirty sin part off of your loaf and you will be left with a clean loaf albeit a bit smaller than the original size. So don't sin too much or you'll be left with only crumbs after Jehovah finish trimming you. So you again are doomed only if you go back to JWorg and obey everything they tell you to do.

  Loaf 3:

  Grieving the spirit and being led away from Jehovah. If this describes you, then you have accumulated extra garlic powder on your loaf...but don't worry Jehovah can shake the excess off!

  What is one way we grieve the ‘Holy Spirit” by their definition? W04 3/13/p.29-30 - Questions From Readers

  • How can we grieve God’s holy spirit, since it is not a person?

  ““We would also be grieving the spirit if we deliberately undermined respect for spirit-appointed men in the congregation.—Acts 20:28; Jude 8.”

  So simply “undermining” the elders would put you in danger of being discarded.

  Think of the full implications of this broadcast. If you are a child that has a parent that is a nonmember, how are you required to view them? According to the JWorg material, as trash not worth listening to or saving, and doomed to be destroyed by Jehovah at any minute. This mental coercion will drastically alienate children from nonmember parents and family as it creates an adversarial environment that destroys any normal family interactions. The same implication applies to all family members or anyone for that matter that is not an active book-selling member of JWorg. If you, in anyway, oppose the teachings or more especially the leadership, of the Governing Body as God’s only ‘channel’ on earth, then you are placed in the “oil on bread” category and viewed as garbage not worth even the effort of saving and needing to be thrown way and never interacted with again.

  So while JW leadership claims to “abhor” child abuse and have “love” for their neighbor, they insidiously use broadcast like this to create a wedge of hate and alienation in families. This has nothing to do with God or the preaching of the good news of the kingdom, but instead, it is pure and simple evil manipulation of innocent minds to destroy normal familial relations. They know exactly what they are doing as this creates a cash cow of mindless slaves that break their piggy banks and backs working for JWorg their entire lives and when they die sign all their assets over to them as well.

  Material like this is actually a “king with no clothes” moment for those of us that understand what is really going on. It is vile and disgusting, yet all done in the name of God; tax-exempt. Perhaps the saddest part is that a few pennies of each dollar donated goes to defend JW pedophiles, as JW lawyers/elders fight the courts to endeavor to see that victims’ hurt by their evil policies are not compensated for the damages they have wrought.

  Would any deity “bless” an organization like this? I can think of only one….

  For helpful information on abuse see silentlambs.org for assistance with family alienation see jwchildcustody.com