" neither the trinity nor the divinity of Jesus were original Christian doctrine." The Gospel of John, particularly Chapter One, but throughout, not original Christian doctrine then ? "John" is in no doubt of the Divinity of Christ.
Posts by Phizzy
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28JW Obession with the trinity
by Riley inso a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.
funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.
it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.
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JW Obession with the trinity
by Riley inso a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.
funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.
it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.
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Phizzy
The thing that boils my piss about the J.W. org is their constant crowing that they are right and Christendom has got it all wrong.
I can remember this feeling when they used to constantly brag about how they had got 1914 right, and the other Christian religions had missed this event in heaven ! I remember sitting there during a W.T Study and thinking "I wish they could be proved wrong over this, just to shut them up". well, they were, and it didn't.
The Trinity is another exactly parallel thing, they keep on about how it is a false Doctrine, to such an extent that J.W's go to great efforts to get "interested" persons to reject the Doctrine. The problem is that the J.W org has got this one wrong too.
I don't wish to get in to a big discussion on the Trinity, but suffice to say, if you know how to read the Bible, as an Academic expert in the field would, and if you know about how Philosophical thought works, you will see how later Theologians developed the Trinity Doctrine and why, you will also understand that it isn't in any way a deal breaker as J.W org would have it.
The org hypocritically goes on about how it isn't found spelled out in a simple formula in the Bible, and developed after the 1st Century, well that rather brings us back to the Foundation Doctrine of the J.W org, the 1914 nonsense doesn't it ?
That Doctrine suffers from the above problems levelled at the Trinity, plus it is not to be found anywhere at all in Scripture, unless you are mildly insane about Biblical interpretation and understanding.
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Phizzy
Time for a Velvet Revolution in the U.K. We have no other way to get rid of these people who are making our Country a total ruin.
Waiting for a General Election is no good, we must bring them down Poll Tax protest style, but without the criminal damage.
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Sister In "Pants" Carrying the Microphone--Brother in "Jeans" out in Service!
by Atlantis inclick the image to enlarge.. sister carrying microphone at kingdom hall in pants!.
https://postimg.cc/jdjysmgt.
brother in blue jeans out in service.. https://postimg.cc/z36bj89h .
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Phizzy
About 18/9 years ago, fresh out of J.W. org, I attended a lovely old church, just once to see what it was like, I guess built early 1800's, a vibrant Preacher, but I was dressed as I would have been for a J,W meeting, shirt, tie, trousers, jacket etc, polished shoes.
All the Congregation were in smart casual, the teen kids in their version, and the teens all sat together, even the preacher was smart casual, open neck shirt etc.
I felt distinctly over dressed. The atmos. was great, really fun and friendly, the Band that played Christian Rock was really good too.
The Church served an area that was only a small fraction of the vast Territory "served" by our K.H, so lots of alternative places for people to worship nearby. That Sunday morning our K.H would have been half empty, this Church was FULL !
J.W org needs to modernise big time, and attract people, or die from lack of funds. I hope the latter happens. And may Churches like the one I attended, prosper, and continue to provide what people want. People don't want an Authoritarian group to tell them how to dress, and to bore them to death.
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Lifetime Regret for Not Expressing my Love to a Non-JW
by a-JW-girl ini want to impart some advice from my life experience that i hope will help others in a similar situation and prevent them from making the same mistakes i did, ruining my life.
to begin with, i’m a 52-year-old single woman, i’ve been a devout jw since i was a little girl.
i had an abusive dad who left my mom, my two sisters and me when we were fairly young.
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Phizzy
I have known a good number of successful relationships that have come after one, the other,or both ended a previous one, so to imply that it cannot work does not always apply, yes, you may feel that 100% trust is not possible, but thta may be a small price to pay fpor mutual happiness.
There never is a black and white to these situations, or an adage that always works, without exception.
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Ecclesiastes 12:12,13
by Lost in the fog inwhenever you think of your time in the organisation you'll remember all of the books.
every year at a convention, new books brought out.
shelves at home groaning under the weight of multicoloured covered wts books!
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Phizzy
I just thought back to the new books coming out thing, and then the subsequent studying of them, and realised that when new books were supplied, I always hoped they would be better than the last lot, that they would illuminate things for me.
Ever since I was very very young , I was hungry for knowledge, still am, but sadly, those new Books did nothing greater than the old ones, and I came to realise they were re-hashing the same stuff, like a not very imaginative cook, who presents "meat and to veg" at every meal, just slightly tinkered with.
Their Spiritual Food was always the same grey slop, and not nutritional either.
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Lifetime Regret for Not Expressing my Love to a Non-JW
by a-JW-girl ini want to impart some advice from my life experience that i hope will help others in a similar situation and prevent them from making the same mistakes i did, ruining my life.
to begin with, i’m a 52-year-old single woman, i’ve been a devout jw since i was a little girl.
i had an abusive dad who left my mom, my two sisters and me when we were fairly young.
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Phizzy
I am very moved by your story, and your plight. Some of the comments you have received on here are very black and white, but where the heart is concerned, when we fall in love, the normal things that affect our judgement and actions don't always work.
Simon wisely said that we cannot know how our fantasy would have worked out, whether we would have been happy, and whether the other person would.
What has happened in your case is that love grew in the way that it does in a lasting relationship, starting from the dodgy base of attraction, then infatuation, and the accompanying fantasy, or two. Then becoming something bigger, something that will always be there, in your heart.
We cannot turn the clock back, and it is especially important that we make the right decision for our future, and for others involved.
I firmly believe your Therapist is right, the religion is holding you back from solving your emotional problems, but, to give it up, and the emotional support,the social interactions etc, that we call friendships, that are there in the religion, will be extremely difficult, and possibly damaging to yourself, as you could end up even more lonely than at present.
Sometimes it is better to live with the regret that we didn't do something, and then, once done, we would have discovered what really might have been, good or bad, but we might have chased the dream, and ended up really hurt and disappointed. There are so many "what ifs" in life, we have to live with them, why not this one as well ?
The guy in question maybe loves his wife, and you, but is a believer in loyalty, to keeping the vows he made, if his circumstances have not changed, I doubt you could change those admirable qualities of his.
Whatever you decide, I wish you well, and may you be at peace with yourself.
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A state in india has a law against religious conversion
by cognitivedizzy inhttps://www.ndtv.com/india-news/anti-conversion-bill-passed-in-karnataka-assembly-amid-opposition-protest-3348450.
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Phizzy
"Noting that in recent times religious conversions have become widespread, he said there have been mass conversions with allurements and through force, disturbing peace and leading to mistrust among people following different religions.
The Bill does not take away anyone's religious freedom and that anyone can practice the religion of his or her choice, but not under pressure and allurements, Mr Jnanendra said."
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Do you believe in ghosts?
by Country Girl ini am posting this because i know there are many people that have had experiences that cannot be explained by natural means.
i am a ghost hunter, as a hobby.
my hobby is to disprove ghosts.
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Phizzy
Although I do not believe in ghosts, being an Atheist who leads an evidence based life, I actually believe in very little.
What I do feel is the correct approach to metaphysical things (are they things ?), is to go along with Shakespeare where he has Hamlet say : "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Not that I think Ghosts etc will be proven to exist, but I think a greater understanding of the human mind will explain even further the mechanisms that prompt a lot that cannot be fully explained at present.
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Why are so many Jehovah’s Witnesses Angry and Rude?
by Vanderhoven7 inwhy do you think many jws are hostile and rude?
or is that just my imagination?.
mark jones writes: the vast majority of jehovah’s witnesses are nice people.
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Phizzy
" If you mean on line, then they are very defensive and if they think you are one of “those apostates” they won’t think you deserve politeness. "
Yes ! I have crossed swords with a few on line. What also annoys me, and it is a subtle form of rudeness, is they condescendingly talk down to you, when trying to explain or justify J.W beliefs, little do they know that most of us know more than them about those beliefs !
As someone else pointed out, they soon descend in to an Ad Hominem attack, then Report you, and Block you. The other despicable move is to accuse us of lying, but never say what untruth we have told !
Rudeness and ignorance abound in the J.W org, even the D to D is rude really, calling on someone uninvited to sell your brand of nonsense is not Polite !