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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Phizzy

  Dis. J.W You make an excellent point, and one which just shows I should have read the O.P with the care and attention you did !

  Stephen/Chalam is wrong to claim that Paul asserts anywhere in his genuine writings, that Jesus is God in a trinitarian sense.

  Paul's view of Jesus is that he was pre-existent in heaven, and that God (the father) raised him from the dead. Quite where Paul stood on the extent of the Divinity of J.C. is not clear, but certainly there is not one hint in his writings of even a nascent trinitarian view, as far as I can see.

  What was plain was that the Gospel he preached was that if you became "one in Christ" not only Sin from Adam was cancelled, but the power of Sin in your life now. This message obviously appealed, hence the fast spreading flame of Christian belief after Paul's ministry.
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  Which of you readers are being shunned by their relatives / friends ?

  by stan livedeath in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a simple " me" if you dont want to say more--or a short explanation about who is shunning you and how long has this been going on.. i'll set the ball rolling: my daughter--her husband and children; my younger son --no contact from them for 40 years...because i left their religion.. (edit--i just noticed the typo in the header--if should be of ).

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  Phizzy

  This from the wonderful LongHairGal :

  " Remember, the shunning routine doesn’t work without an audience to appreciate it."

  What a great point ! I think too, if we get the chance to negate what they do, by giving them at least a cursory nod, or even a "Good morning" and even a smile ? as you would any person you once knew, it is great to do, preferably without engaging in conversation, they don't deserve that, but then they know their Shunning attempt has failed.
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  IICSA Final Report

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

  to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

  the first and last sentences.

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  Phizzy

  The English Legal System's Independent Inquiry Into Child Sexual Abuse has issued its Final Report, and its recommendations. To read the Report in full just Google IICSA Report, if you search on the IICSA Site you can find the specific investigation into J.W's.

  But this recommendation from the Final Report is interesting, esp. the first and last sentences. :

  " The first relates to the introduction of a statutory requirement of mandatory reporting. In effect, it requires individuals in certain employments (paid or voluntary) and professions to report allegations of child sexual abuse to the relevant authorities. Failure to do so in some circumstances could lead to the commission of a new criminal offence of failure to report an allegation of child sexual abuse when required to do so. The second concerns the establishment of a national redress scheme for England and for Wales, to provide some monetary redress for child sexual abuse for those who have been let down by institutions in the past. This is a fixed-term scheme with straightforward processes to ensure that, as far as possible, victims and survivors secure efficient access to the help they need. The redress scheme is not a substitute for criminal or civil justice systems and it does not replace the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority. The government should seek contributions to the scheme from the institutions affected."
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  Netherlands: JWs prevail in Bethel raids and shunning cases

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this week, it was revealed that the organization had won, at least so far and partially, two significant cases.. first, the overijssel district court declared that many items seized during the 2018 bethel raids contain privileged information, which the public prosecution service no longer contests.

  this applies, in line with the supreme court judgement, to "all seized documents that, according to the complainants, fall under the right of non-disclosure ... and that contain information relating to information shared with elders in trust in the context of pastoral care, including information relating to the religious judicial committees"; apparently, 15 million electronic files the prosecution was unable to provide for judicial examination are also considered privileged.

  the documents have already been returned, their copies are to be destroyed until 1 november.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Corney , I guess "privileged" only in the sense of priest/penitent relationship. I am not sure how strong that is under Dutch Law, but here in the U.K there is no legal priest/penitent privilege of a special nature, that went with the Reformation. So anything pertinent in seized documents in the U.K could be used in a legal Prosecution.
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Phizzy

  Thanks for reviving this Thread van my boy. I think the O.P is spot on.

  I had an e-mail exchange with Stephen, Chalam, some years ago, he came over to me as a thoroughly nice guy, a real thinker, and a sincere Christian, sincere in that he practiced Christianity, not just believed, he "did".

  I hope he is well.
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  Was Jesus the Messiah circumcised ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has this question ever been raised before by jehovah`s witnesses?

  and what`s the significance, if any ?.

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  Phizzy

  The question in the Title of the thread is not accurate, but that may be deliberate, in no way was Jesus of Nazareth a Messiah.

  The Historical Jesus, if he existed, would have been circumcised. Of course.

  But the other questions raised are valid if you believe the nonsense, the Mythology, about Yeshua of Nazareth.
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  Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

  https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

  - (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

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  Phizzy

  "Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?"

  Yes, be it J.W org taking Genesis far too literally or 100 % Creationists even more so, both groups are Charlatans. They KNOW they are not promoting Truth.
  
  
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  Books-of-Titus-and-Philemon-Study-Edition-Now-Available-Online

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/whats-new/books-of-titus-and-philemon-study-edition-now-available-online/.

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  Phizzy

  JW org showing their ignorance once again, Philemon is a genuine letter of Paul, Titus, along with 1st and 2nd Timothy, is not.
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  Martin Armstrong's latest book, 'The Plot to Seize Russia'

  by was a new boy in

  1. social
  2. current

  the 2015 documentary - 'the forecaster' was basically banned in usa.

  so martin leased a movie theater in cherry hill nj and showed it himself.. 'a german tv station funded the 2015 documentary on me entitled the forecaster.

  because it raised some of these issues back then, the film was banned in the united states as well as switzerland...'.

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  Phizzy

  I don't doubt he was unjustly treated by the Authorities, I do doubt his personal integrity, and his expertise.
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  Martin Armstrong's latest book, 'The Plot to Seize Russia'

  by was a new boy in

  1. social
  2. current

  the 2015 documentary - 'the forecaster' was basically banned in usa.

  so martin leased a movie theater in cherry hill nj and showed it himself.. 'a german tv station funded the 2015 documentary on me entitled the forecaster.

  because it raised some of these issues back then, the film was banned in the united states as well as switzerland...'.

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  Phizzy

  Read the WIKI Article on this guy, wow, a real Scam Artist with deep criminal qualities.