Posts by Phizzy

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Looking for Watchtower Quotations

by Vanderhoven7 in

this thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..

Phizzy

" should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism. " Except J.W's they think and act, because they "have the truth".......... in their uneducated minds.

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Fading is better then completely leaving...comments?

by Witness 007 in

i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.

see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.

so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.

Phizzy

" so I am wondering if it is more difficult to leave/fade if you are a high hour publisher vs low hour, MS or elder vs rank and file..."

I wondered how difficult it would be when I just walked away. I was a MS, a high genuine hours Pub. and from a very well known JW family, with JW connections back to the early 1900's.

It was surprisingly easy ! I heard nothing for six months ! despite being not only all of the above, but the very best meeting Attender in my Congregation, always there.

I got the two Elder visit, which they claimed was a "Shepherding call", no Shepherding went on, they just tried to find a way to DF me !

I swatted their pathetic attempts aside, as I did on the second and last occasion. Good luck to anyone "leaving", even if it is only in their mind and not physically so much for now.

Be prepared, forearmed, and then enjoy Freedom of Mind !

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Fading is better then completely leaving...comments?

by Witness 007 in

i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.

see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.

so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.

Phizzy

" do you expect to come out unscathed? " I don't think anyone sticking with staying in the Org. now will.

I was embarrassed all those years ago when I left to think that many people knew I had been a J.W. Now, as all the Scandal comes out, and the evidence of JW Org being a nasty , controlling cult, that damages people, anyone associated with them for much longer will be looked upon as a Pariah.

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Derek Ohare was murdered. R.I.P dear friend

by Newly Enlightened in

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https://youtu.be/667n4uwbk4e?si=1dvek-qfw7ebf9up.

Phizzy

Found this, also on Kentonline, not sure of the date of this Article :

"This morning, Ajay Porter, made his first appearance at Maidstone Crown Court, charged with his murder.

Porter, 36, of Oswold Road, Dover, spoke only twice to confirm his name and to tell Judge Julian Smith he understood the proceedings.

Defence barrister Danny Moore said there would be no application for bail at this time and no plea was indicated.

Porter, also charged with possession of a bladed article in a public place, is next due at Maidstone Crown Court on March 4, where he is expected to enter pleas."

R.I.P Derek. If you only started one or two on the Road to Freedom , you did a great thing. What a tragic end to a life that should not have ended for years. Derek will not be forgotten, and his work goes on.

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Did Jesus Die On a Stake or a Cross?

by Sea Breeze in

dominic enyart exposes watchtower deception regarding their demonization of the cross.

information packed.

interesting take on paganism as well.

Phizzy

" Not that any of this really matters. " Exactly, though I have enjoyed the discussions on this, especially the erudite contributions from those like Leolaia, none of this is relevant if no one can prove that "Jesus" ever existed.

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Is there “new light” on 1914?

by wallsofjericho in

i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .

is this regarding 1914?

or micheal the arch angel?.

Phizzy

" But JWs don’t really care what the Bible actually says. " neither does "Scholar", Eisegesis as used by Scholar and the J.W's is simply NOT the way to understand what the Bible says, and is rightly dismissed and ridiculed as a method by REAL Biblical Scholars !

Thank you for your comments here Jeffro, and the excellent work you did in the past on the 1914 Tosh, all of your erudite work being confirmed by REAL Scholars from many disciplines.

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Shaking Down Satan - WT Sues Norway

by Sea Breeze in

i wonder how many witnesses are aware that the wt and their team of lawyers are currently suing the government of norway for millions of dollars?

i thought that the wt taught that all the governments were run by satan.

when i was a witness, this would have really bothered me.

Phizzy

Another Court case the org. will lose ? I certainly hope so ! and the Government of Norway are right, completely, not to fund such a terrible org. with Taxpayers money.

I presume J.W's will make a lot of spurious claims as to the nature of "Shunning", the lying bastards always do.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold !

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Fading is better then completely leaving...comments?

by Witness 007 in

i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.

see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.

so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.

Phizzy

Your circumstances and decision are very similar to mine when I left. Depending on an individuals circumstances, "fading" is always the best option for most, it leaves you as free of the org. in reality as those formerly chucked out.

And you are still free to interact to a degree with J.W's. It does mean that if you wish to retain your status,you have to bite your tongue a lot in the company of J.W's, but that is a small price to pay.

However, I do believe people should do what they feel is best for them, with the caveat that disassociating or whatever is hard to undo, and so it is advisable to let considerable time pass before a decision is made.

At first I longed to be "free" or the Org. and so considered disassociating, but as the years have passed I bless my decision not to. In reality faders are the most free out of all those that have left, and any perceived "hold" the org. still has over us is worth it. The only "hold" they still may have is having to watch our words, but as time has gone on I find myself more free to speak my mind anyway.

Since leaving I have lived my life as I wish to do, I Vote, I donate Blood, I celebrate Christmas and Birthdays with gusto ! I always felt that if I was DF'd for doing so I would suck that up, but I would not allow the Org. to prevent me living as I do. It never happened, despite the J.W family seeing my Christmas Tree a couple of years ago !

All the best to you, and any who have left the Org ! My son said the other day to another "fader" that "it is the best thing I ever did in my life, leaving the J.W's" , so true !

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Remember the old governing body ...pics! R.I.P.

by Witness 007 in

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Phizzy

A Rogues Gallery if ever there was one ! all those men have Blood on their Hands ! The dreadful J.W Doctrines and practices, such as the Blood Doctrine and Shunning have been responsible for many thousands of deaths over the last many decades.

And yet, seeing the Pics. is triggering pleasant memories for me, of the good times I had as a JW, growing up with JW friends and having a great time socially.

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My parents did not really shun me when I left but I am now breaking their hearts…

by sinboi in

if they have shunned me and chase me out of the house when i leave the cult, i would not give a damn.

i can still feel their love and concern for me even now.. though i have moved out voluntarily when i joined the army, i am afraid that the life i am living now will break their hearts.

i am now a bartender in a bar and am cohabiting with a woman.

Phizzy

I was told by a JW relative that I had broken my mother's heart when I left, it was on the tip of my tongue to say to him " But my heart was broken in that she never grew up spiritually and hung on to childish beliefs " or similar. Which was true, I was really cut up that until she died she stuck with her beliefs, which included no longer having a proper relationship with me anymore. Not full on J.W shunning, but simply family business only with mum.

I didn't say it, because he was shortly about to die, I knew this would be our last conversation, and I wanted it to end on a pleasant note, we had been related and friends for over six decades.

What I am trying to say is that the responsibility for any emotional pain felt by the JW's in our close family, and pain felt by us, is ,in fact, down to THEM.