Please give us the outcome of this Trial when you have it, thanks. And if you could please Post the info. yourself, as you have in the O.P, as accessing lancaster online seems not to be possible from the U.K.
Posts by Phizzy
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16A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.
by was a new boy intrial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.
jose antonio serrano.
lancaster county prison.
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The World Today
by peacefulpete ini've been meaning to share some recent experiences that defy the usual tropes about the 'world gone to hell' or 'people now days".. as some of you may remember i was seriously ill for a while and had to close my business and shop.
now, as it seems i have beaten it, i put up a sign again advertising that in a limited way i'm back.. what amazes me is how many times over the past 2 years customers and even competition have written and called to express their concern and best wishes.
just last week i had a personal visit of someone who i thought of as a rival, come in and shake my hand sincerely happy to see me up and around.
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Phizzy
Thank you all for your kind thoughts, I really appreciate your taking the time to express them.
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The World Today
by peacefulpete ini've been meaning to share some recent experiences that defy the usual tropes about the 'world gone to hell' or 'people now days".. as some of you may remember i was seriously ill for a while and had to close my business and shop.
now, as it seems i have beaten it, i put up a sign again advertising that in a limited way i'm back.. what amazes me is how many times over the past 2 years customers and even competition have written and called to express their concern and best wishes.
just last week i had a personal visit of someone who i thought of as a rival, come in and shake my hand sincerely happy to see me up and around.
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Phizzy
Thanks PP, any positive message is just what I need right now, I am going through a rough time, I am grieving as my wife passed away in late August, and the Funeral was on Friday. I thought I would be able to carry the grief better by now, but no.
That does not matter really, I think it best to let grief run its full and natural course. I have been physically unwell for a couple of days too, but I am coming through that.
But since the death of my wife, I too have been amazed at the wonderful kindness of so many people, family of course, and friends and neighbours etc, but some of those are people whom I hardly know, as they are new to the area, and other people from a wide area, and also people from my past.
The world is full of good, kind people, who do things out of kindness and altruism, which is what gives me hope for Mankind.
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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?
by slimboyfat infor jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.
but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?
new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.
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Phizzy
Replacing poor Exegesis with Eisegesis is as far from a "clearer understanding" as it is possible to be.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Phizzy
The whole question of whether there was an historical, real living person who gave rise to the Mythical Literary Figure we are presented with in the Gospels is simply a matter of mild academic interest, it makes no difference, one way or the other.
Let's just assume there was an itinerant, rabble-rousing, Jewish political activist man who the Writer of "Mark" based his Character upon, that does not make anything else at all, not one thing, in the Story true.
Just as an example take the literary character Sherlock Holmes, we are quite sure that Conan Doyle based Holmes on a man who taught him, but that does not make Holmes and the Stories true, and it does not make any other character in the stories true either !
So, Dr. Watson, Moriarty, and Mrs Hudson et al are no more real than Holmes himself.
And neither are the other characters in the Gospels !
The Apostles, disciples, villains etc. we find in the Gospels are as imaginary as is the Jesus figure.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Phizzy
No, there is nothing I would grace with the word "evidence" for the "Jesus" of the Gospels.
Later references are only repeating the Mythos that had grown up since the time of Paul.
Had a person ANYTHING like the Jesus of Gospels existed, he WOULD have been written about at the time, even discounting fanciful miracles, someone who caused enough trouble for the Romans to crucify him would have been recorded, other trouble makers were written about, at the time they lived and died, and there were plenty of guys writing about such things, during the period this Jesus is supposed to have lived.
The Jesus of the Gospels is a totally Fictional Figure.
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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations
by JohnR1975 inis it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.
when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .
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Phizzy
That is my attitude to to J.W relatives and old J.W friends who I feel need the membership of the Org. for their own well-being.
To these ones, it would be devastating if they did not have the association and activity involved in being a member, as they have NOTHING ELSE in life, having been subject all their lives to the strict, extremely rigid control of the Org.
If they left, or even became merely inactive and non-attenders, they would lose the respect they have from their fellow J.W's, and the support and friendship they have from them, which as we know, is entirely dependent upon you being seen as a "strong" member.
But as you showed Joe, all of that can remain, with little or virtually no real effort anymore for those who wish to take J.W life a little easier. It is now no problem, your fellow J.W's will either think you are doing more than you are, or if they are aware you are doing a little less than in past years, will make excuses for you.
Again , this will hasten the demise of the Org, but at least those J.W's who are as I described above may live out their lives retaining their support network, and have peace of mind.
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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity
by aqwsed12345 in1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
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Phizzy
" the idea that only 144,000 will go to heaven or rule with Christ is based on a selective reading of the text that does not account for the larger symbolic context of Revelation."
Agreed, but you are ignoring what the Writer makes plain, he expect ALL his predictions, and the fulfillment of his symbolic words, to come about "shortly", they did NOT, so are all failed Predictions.
To expect a later fulfillment of already failed predictions is a very silly idea that many a Christian falls foul of.
And I repeat :
The idea of the "Great Apostasy" is a Myth.
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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations
by JohnR1975 inis it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.
when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .
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Phizzy
All of this will thankfully hasten the demise of the J.W Org.
Basically the Rank and File J.W's are the Workforce of a Business Corporation. A bored and unmotivated Workforce produces the minimum possible to remain in the Employ of the Corporation. Such Corporations File for Bankruptcy in short order if they do not turn things around.
That is what we are seeing looming for the Org. now, moribund as is all Organised Religion, but also having a failed Business Model, they cannot go on much longer. Yes, with all the Tax breaks etc. they will limp on longer than the conventional business, but their days ARE numbered !
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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Phizzy
The J.W org. claims something along the lines of taking in to account when the new Moon is visible in Jerusalem, and working from that to when the Passover would have been celebrated. Glibly ignoring the fact that they cannot predict the Weather, certainly a year or more hence. And glibly ignoring the other signs that were taken in to account to decide on the Date of Passover.
They do not actually use the same method as the Jews of the 1st century C.E used, they just do their own thing, as usual. Ignoring Facts, Evidence, and even Scripture.
Sadly none of this bothers any J.W who is a solid believer, I pointed this Info. out to a devout elderly J.W lady some years ago, she flounced off, throwing over her shoulder " I don't CARE if the Memorial is held on the wrong day !".