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  What attracts/draws/pulls you toward some groups,associations,organizations,memberships? What repels you from others?

  by StoneWall in

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  in light of whats been going on in the last few days it got me to thinking about what is it that drives us to want to be a part of something and yet reject other things.. for instance for me i highly value words such as truth,facts,honor,integrity,liberation and find that i'm attracted to endeavors which pursue these things.. so for me personally, jwfacts.com was a website i felt drawn to because it appealed just in name only at first, but then the more i read the better i liked it.. but the first thing had to be the name to get me drawn in to investigate.. next i thought of randy's site that i like called freeminds.org.

  just the name sounded so liberating,so refreshing from all the control that i experienced as a jw.. also i got to browsing my bookmark page and realized that the vast majority of my bookmarks were mainly sites that dealt with facts such as nasa.gov, various news websites and history etc.. then i started wondering about why there are some websites others liked but i wasn't that impressed with them.. what did they see that was interesting to them or of value in their eyes?.

  what draws you to a company/corporation, or a cause or what is it that makes you want to either get involved with something or pass?.

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  I'm attracted to the ones which use common sense and logic, lack negativity and show mutual respect. Negativity, aggression, activism etc. repel me.
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  Bobcat, give me your take on this

  by QC in

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  2. beliefs

  bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

  i just shared this with new member "lost".

  if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

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  Thanks QC.. I love seeing it all anew without the WT glasses! And it's great to be able to share new things we learn with each other without worrying about saying the wrong thing!
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  My Meetings With Two Elders Today, "I am not a Christian and I am going to Die!"

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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  2. beliefs

  hi, my time is drawing ever closer as i can no longer speak lies about the organization and all the past revisions and my sins i committed against everyone i judged while serving on judicial committees.

  i lay awake at night with guilt because i ask jehovah and his son jesus christ to forgive me for being so judgemental, self assured and arrogant at certain times in my life.

  i was not a prince of peace, at times i was a coward when i was first appointed because i wanted to keep all things peaceful with my peers, not with my heavenly father and saviour jesus christ.

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  I had the same questions from a close relative recently. I said exactly what Gnat suggested. That I know Jehovah loves me and he and his Son are the ones who do the judging, no one else. As to the 'Organisation' question, I just said that Jesus Christ is my Master, just as he said, we are to call no one on earth our leader.

  Quote a well known and well used verse at them and they have no answers and they can't pin anything on you. It's hard not to get angry but it is really important to keep calm and think before you speak (something I'm trying to work on!) They are really good at turning the tables on you. Don't let them. Think out some 'blockers' beforehand that you can use just in case they have another go at you. If they say something that you have difficulty replying to without landing yourself in it, just stay silent.
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  Facebook 101, Help for Faders

  by Gojira_101 in

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  2. friends

  i know i'm going to get bagged on for this, but i'm really just trying to help those who are fading if they have facebook or are on any social media outlets.. first off let's review.. .com stands for commercial.

  .net stands for network.

  ....etc.. so facebook.com is a commercial site, meaning they are trying to sell you something....or specialized advertising trying to get you to buy something because of your browsing history.

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  I've been really concerned with internet privacy lately and have tightened up everything. I also said goodbye on FB to my exJW friends, I will have to keep them separate from now on. Also the only app I've left on FB is my Norton security app. all the rest are gone.

  I also posted this a few days ago, if anyone is interested in tightening up their internet. Stopping being tracked (especially by FB) all over the internet.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/250195/1/Tools-for-internet-privacy
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  Some friday morning reflections

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just reading all the aawa related topics this morning and it makes me really sad.

  i'm not related to aawa, just a fader in western europe and a longtime member of h2o and later on jwd.. it makes me sad to see what's the legacy of the watchtower society religion: kgb style betrayal of family members, making screenshots of facebook group members, just to betray their christian brother and sister to the elders, to interrogate them, try to confess their faults and correct them aggressively.

  this behaviour places our religion definitly at the dark pages of history.. it makes me sad to see that some group of good peope, forming an association, then some things going wrong with the important and sacred topic named privacy.

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  Best post on the subject yet Gorby.
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  I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!

  by Sic Semper Tyrannis in

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  i am an inactive jw.

  i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.

  i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.

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  Just want to say to the opening poster Sic, that I'm really sorry for the situation that you've found yourself in through no fault of your own making. I really hope that you can get things sorted out and be able to minimise the damge that's been done to you.

  Last night I decided to keep my FB totally disconnected from anything exJW. So the few friends I had from the exJW community are now gone from my list of FB friends (reluctantly). I know I can still keep in touch with them elsewhere and feel it had to be done. I cannot trust FB privacy after this complete fiasco.

  When/if I out myself it'll be because it's what I want and not because of being outed by some mess up on FB!
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  Simon has stated the AAWA facts with exact precision

  by james_woods in

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  2. scandals

  i think the problem is, as before, how the aawa is handling things and refusing to answer your critics makes things worse.

  critics are not people out to get you, they are critical of something that you have done or given the appearance of doing and pr is the job of responding to address the criticisms.. this is the internet people, you can't just pretend that things didn't happen by deleting the comments!

  especially not with a group that wants to claim to offer support and be open and honest.

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  One thing I really appreciate with Simon is his total concern with everyone's right to privacy and if they want it, anonimity. I came across a thread recently about JWD closing down (before JWN) and his refusal to sell it to anyone and if it did go that he would wipe everything, PMs, email addresses, IP adresses. This is the kind of thing you need to keep your trust in someone, be it a person or a group.

  AAWA wasn't aware of how slack FB privacy can be and it still could be very damaging. I'm sure they'll do some good and I wish them the best with it but I'm staying right here with Simon's board. If I lose my anonimity here then it'll be my own fault and not his.

  Thanks Simon for a great (and SAFE) place to come!
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  In Practice, the GB Substitutes "The Organization" for Jesus

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, i have had some pm discussions with a couple of jwn members regarding the extent to which the gb injects itself and the wt organization into the bible message.

  one of them encouraged me to post my comments as a topic, so i am doing so here.. .

  in the wt religion, everything is about "god's organization.

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  Totally agree with you Ding! They have completely demoted Jesus and they just can't see it! They see it as disloyalty to God to say anything against 'his Organisation', yet they don't see the disloyalty they show towards his Christ! They are shutting off the Kingdom of heaven to millions and preventing them from accepting Jesus as their mediator, salvation and way to God!

  The Organisation is now 'the way the truth and the life'... not Christ! What blasphemy!!
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  Bobcat, give me your take on this

  by QC in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

  i just shared this with new member "lost".

  if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

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  I see the 'birth' of the kingdom as being from when Jesus was resurrected to heaven. The 'woman' arrayed with sun, moon and stars (see Joseph's dream in Gen 37:9,10) as Israel. The 1,260 days in the wilderness as the time open until the gentiles came in. (Rev 12)

  This means that Satan was ousted from heaven before Jesus ascended, then began to wage war with the holy ones. I also see Michael the archangel as NOT being Christ.

  Witnesses might use the fact that he descended with 'an archangel's voice'. Well the word 'an' indicates there is more than one. Michael in Daniel is spoken of as being 'one of' the foremost princes. Jesus isn't a 'one of' anything. He IS the ONLY one.

  It's also interesting that there are 7 angels with 7 trumpets.. are these the archangels, 7 of them? The apocryphal book of Enoch suggests there were 7, Michael being one of them.

  It also says in Matt 24:31 that the 'Son of man' sends forth his angels with a great trumpet sound. It makes sense to me that it is not the King who blows the trumpet but his angels heralding his return.

  Another point.. Witnesses might say that Rev says Satan is angry because he has only a short period of time. Well, if you've been alive millions or possibly even billions of years wouldn't a couple of thousand years or so be a 'short time'?
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  Committee Chairman: tell us about yourself

  by crmsicl in

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  CC, I'm happy that you're here. You sound the same sort of elder my hubby is, even though I know he'd never visit here. He's of the same mind as you, he doesn't always agree with things either and is always saying that it's impossible to have all the answers and he won't always go along with things. Even if he's the only elder on the body that disagrees with something because it's not scriptural, he'll stand up for what he believes is right. However he still goes along with things as he still believes it's God's Organisation.

  I respect you coming here. You could be a great help to many on here I'm sure.