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peacefulpete
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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Jesus the Maintenance Man
by peacefulpete ini posted on another thread what i thought was an interesting angle, seldom discussed regarding the role of god/logos in holding creation together and its maintenance.
most moderns think of the universe as a self-perpetuating machine, but ancients looked to the god/s to ensure order continued and fertility returned year after year.
we read, throughout the ot, of jews performing prescribed ritual and festivals to ensure god's blessing and providence.
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peacefulpete
Another interesting parallel is the Jesuine line:
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. And in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
And : "One that makes his prayer a fixed task, his prayer is no supplication." (Mishnah Brachot 4:4).
"Be heedful in reciting of the Shema and when you pray make not your prayer a fixed form but plea for mercy." (Pirke Avot 2:13).
Interestingly, the Jesuine caution seems to parallel the intentionality if the Mishna.
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Jesus the Maintenance Man
by peacefulpete ini posted on another thread what i thought was an interesting angle, seldom discussed regarding the role of god/logos in holding creation together and its maintenance.
most moderns think of the universe as a self-perpetuating machine, but ancients looked to the god/s to ensure order continued and fertility returned year after year.
we read, throughout the ot, of jews performing prescribed ritual and festivals to ensure god's blessing and providence.
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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peacefulpete
Is it possible to program a bot to regurgitate from a fixed collection of arguments? 970 words 9 minutes after my comment.
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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You have to be a bot.
I'll throw back that the Platonists themselves had a monotheistic concept of One. The ancient gods (much like Yahweh) were reinterpreted as essentially aspects of a single divine Principle, (Monism). There was no conflict with monotheism.
But seriously is it even humanly possible to read my comment and respond with 1000 words in less than 9 minutes?
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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peacefulpete
This hyper-analysis, overinterpretation of what clearly began as metaphor or OT parablelike narrative will never produce a universally satisfying conclusion. It can't because it is all detached from empirical evidence. We begin with the clever introduction of an agent into older theophanic narratives because editors understood theology slightly different. Then nearly immediately it is melded with Middle Platonic concepts of a demiurge as emanation of the Principle One. Then these emanations grew in detail and anthropomorphic descriptions to become angels, demons and Logos etc. Within a certain branch of Judaism many of these rose and congealed to become a separate entity.
Then either
1. a person came along that self-identified as this entity,
2.was posthumously associated with this entity or
3. the entity was later cast as a person through euhemerization/historicization.
Whichever of these three you see best fits the evidence, the concept and figure of Christ/Logos is the product of centuries of theological elaboration.
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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Hart himself would better fit the label of Christian Mystic. His God is arrived at through:
....infused contemplation, with real constancy of will and a patient openness to grace, suffering states of both dereliction and ecstasy with the equanimity of faith, hoping but not presuming, so as to find whether the spiritual journey, when followed in earnest, can disclose its own truthfulness…
Being in this state of mind, he is more open to the earliest character of Christianity. A rare sort of Christian today. I therefore understand his attraction to the more mystic Eastern Orthodox church, but technically he doesn't parrot their Christology either.
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Is Jesus the Creator?
by Sea Breeze inthat's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
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For one thing, the term logos really had, by the time the Gospel was written, acquired a metaphysical significance that “Word” cannot possibly convey; and in places like Alexandria it had acquired a very particular religious significance as well.
For the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo, for instance, it referred to a kind of “secondary divinity,” a mediating principle standing between God the Most High and creation. In late antiquity it was assumed widely, in pagan, Jewish, and Christian circles, that God in his full transcendence did not come into direct contact with the world of limited and mutable things, and so had expressed himself in a subordinate and economically “reduced” form “through whom” (δι᾽ αὐτοῦ [di’ avtou]) he created and governed the world. It was this Logos that many Jews and Christians believed to be the subject of all the divine theophanies of Hebrew scripture.Come on guys, he is laying out exactly what I've been saying. This is not the Trinity nor is it the WT.
The later Arianism, as I understand it, was much closer to second power theology. Arian asserted that Logos was God as a somewhat limited aspect of God. IMO the sole distinction is that for Arian (and all proto-orthodox Christians by then) the Logos had acquired complete humanity as well as autonomy and entity. How closely this reflects the Johannine prologue is a matter of question depending upon the degree of temporality/historicity intended by the Gospel writer/s.
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JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion
by ukpimo ini was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.
another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.
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