peacefulpete
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What does God eat ?
by stan livedeath inbeans ?
( human beans ).
to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.
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What does God eat ?
by stan livedeath inbeans ?
( human beans ).
to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.
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peacefulpete
Halcon, The suggestion is that the description of John in the 'wilderness', (the new Elijah, also wearing camel hair and belt) originally paralleled the story of Elijah in this detail as well. In 1 Kings 19 LXX Elijah is fed angelically supplied 'cakes' in the 'wilderness'. The food of angels was manna that was made into cakes and taste like honey as you recall.
The Greek word (AKRIDES) locusts, and (EGKRIDES) cakes are very similar in sound and spelling making it an easy mistake to make. Therefore, IMO it is more probable that the Gospel of the Ebionites preserves the original reading.
The larger hypothesis is that much of what is ascribed to Q was John tradition, including the story of 40 days in wilderness.
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What does God eat ?
by stan livedeath inbeans ?
( human beans ).
to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.
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peacefulpete
This might seem off the wall to many but there are real reasons to suspect some of the narrative and sayings attributed to Jesus were originally connected with John the Baptist. That is a huge topic but in this particular thread it should be mentioned that the Elijah story of being sustained with angelic honey/manna/food for 40 days in the wilderness was quite likely originally repeated in the John the B. story and only later shifted to Jesus. Not only does that make more sense typologically, (John=Elijah) but there also appears to be echos in the extant Gospel description of John. He lives in the 'wilderness' and eats honey/manna/cakes. The 'locust' thing is a scribal error. (Greek 'Locust' and 'Cake' are very similar.) The Gospel of the Ebionites as quoted by Epiphanius retains the honey/manna cakes.
He had a garment of camels' hair, and a leather girdle about his loins. And his meat was wild honey, which tasted like manna, formed like cakes of oil.
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Baptism on Fire
by peacefulpete ingoing through justin martyr's dialogue with trypho yesterday, i found a variation on the baptism scene :.
88. and let this be a proof to you, namely, what i told you was done by the magi from arabia, who as soon as the child was born came to worship him, for even at his birth he was in possession of his power; and as he grew up like all other men, by using the fitting means, he assigned its own [requirements] to each development, and was sustained by all kinds of nourishment, and waited for thirty years, more or less, until john appeared before him as the herald of his approach, and preceded him in the way of baptism, as i have already shown.
and then, when jesus had gone to the river jordan, where john was baptizing, and when he had stepped into the water, a fire was kindled in the jordan; and when he came out of the water, the holy ghost lighted on him like a dove, [as] the apostles of this very christ of ours wrote.
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peacefulpete
I ran across another interesting tradition in a fragmentary liturgical text of the 5th century in which the ground shakes as Jesus rises from the water.
(P.Berol. 11633, lines 29-45):
(29) We were filled with great joy (30) upon seeing the Jordan (31) when the one born upon earth as a man (32–34) appeared in it and the forerunner himself listened to your voice saying, “Let us (35) complete the plans of the Father.” (36) “Like the Lord wanted,” (37) said John. You, Christ, came down (38) into the water, The mountains leaped (39) like rams and the hills like a lamb (40) of the sheep. As you arose (41) from the Jordan a voice has (42) come from the sky to you (43) “This one is my beloved (44) Son in whom I am well pleased. (45) Fear him.”
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Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?
by Jerome56 inin the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.
however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.
was this really a thing?.
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peacefulpete
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Great Vid from "Faith to Faithless" U.K about leaving.
by Phizzy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmnaypn26yy.
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peacefulpete
Has anyone in the UK called this number? Let us know what the organization and its services are like.
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Babylonian Job
by peacefulpete inthose new to ancient near east paleography may find it interesting that all cultures have struggled with the seeming injustice of suffering.
the story of job (persecuted/attacked) is one of a number of surviving poetic and prose tales with the theme of the innocent suffering despite entreaties to their gods.
this one often called "poem of the righteous sufferer" is sometimes referred to as the babylonian job.
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peacefulpete
Well, the Job character might be another case like Daniel. While the writings in the Bible date to the Persian period, it is entirely possible the Hebrews had an ancient version. There are many other examples, here's another even older.
A Man and His God (Sumerian)
A man and his god: translation
Another resembles the dialogue format.
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Babylonian Job
by peacefulpete inthose new to ancient near east paleography may find it interesting that all cultures have struggled with the seeming injustice of suffering.
the story of job (persecuted/attacked) is one of a number of surviving poetic and prose tales with the theme of the innocent suffering despite entreaties to their gods.
this one often called "poem of the righteous sufferer" is sometimes referred to as the babylonian job.
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peacefulpete
Those new to ancient Near East paleography may find it interesting that all cultures have struggled with the seeming injustice of suffering. The story of Job (persecuted/attacked) is one of a number of surviving poetic and prose tales with the theme of the innocent suffering despite entreaties to their gods.
This one often called "Poem of the Righteous Sufferer" is sometimes referred to as the Babylonian Job. Enjoy.
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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peacefulpete
The Talmud describes centuries of Rabbinic opinions about who, when, where of Job. Some placed him in Egypt, some Edom, some Arabia. Was he a Jew or not? Some say he lived at the Exodus, others, said time of Abraham, others said Jacob. The imagination is the only limit. Other more grounded Rabbis understood the story and character as allegorical. Bava Batra 15a:15
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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peacefulpete
The 'book' of Job is an anthology of story and poem, utilizing the common character Job to express philosophical concepts of the authors. "Job" is a cue name meaning 'persecuted', some have also suggested "where is Father(God)". It's possible both ideas were in mind when legends about the figure were written.