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  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  by jwundubbed in

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  i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

  i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

  then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

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  Sure as eggs.
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  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  by jwundubbed in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

  i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

  then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

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  Jeffro...I did say semantic paradox. You can't have a 'chicken' egg prior to the word chicken having meaning. But I agree with you, it's a word puzzle only if you accept certain premises. It's like asking can an all-powerful God make a stone so big he can't move it?

  If you accept a chicken could come from something very chicken-like, the paradox disappears.
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  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  by jwundubbed in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

  i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

  then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

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  Jeffro, ......go fry an egg! lol
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  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  by jwundubbed in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

  i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

  then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

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  It's a semantic paradox. Vidiot is right of course that 'eggs' existed many millions of years before the appearance of chickens, but if we word it more specifically: What came first the chicken or the chicken egg?

  Now we have a genuine semantic paradox that dates back to ancient Greece and has had philosophers spilling way too much ink, but that's what philosophers do.

  Scientifically speaking modern chickens are hybridized and domesticated descendants of Asian jungle fowl. Chickens were domesticated about 8000 years ago. Red junglefowl - Wikipedia
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  The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

  the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

  15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

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  The author describes a Father and Mother sharing a life of wisdom with their son. There is no hierarchical church or everchanging doctrine anywhere.
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  Is 1st Century advice on marriage still relevant in today’s modern world?

  by liam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  republicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.

  they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.

  4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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  The Democrats have their set of beliefs, these days it’s going Woke and a zillion genders and the idea that Democratic party should rule the USA for infinity, and anything and everything should be done to make that happen.

  Actually, Democrats do not have a set of beliefs, that's what being a Democrat (supporter of democracy) means, allowing a diversity of beliefs. This about the only belief all democrats share.
  
  
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  As a recent poster, and fluent Jew, has argued, our literalist/Fundamentalist training is very difficult to see around. Tales and stories need not be read as documentaries (and generally shouldn't) to have profound importance for teachers and students. Suspending our critical mind to enter the stories to try to feel what the author intended is not the same thing as dismissing the stories as worthless 'lies'. Nor is it the same as mistaking stories as history and dismissing scientific and historical reality.

  It's a big pill to swallow, I know.
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  Kerry...the two versions of creation stories are both in Genesis. Roughly chapter 1-2:3 and chapt 2:4-3. Note the end of the first version at 2:2,3 is a conclusion, then the redactor/compiler introduces a new creation story immediately after with a new introduction (2:4).

  They are completely different in just about every way.
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  League of Nations as the disgusting thing that causes desolation

  by xaminewt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, the organization says the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” in daniel 11:31 is the united nations being set up in 1945, but in daniel 12:11 when they interpret the 1,290 days they say it’s the league of nations in 1919. please could someone play devils advocate and tell why this could be anything but inconsistent?

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  Daniel Made Simple!
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  Remember there are two creation stories. The first in Genesis 1-2:2 (traditionally ascribed to P, Priestly) has a particular focus on the exclusivity of temple rite and Sabbath (7-day template). In this version, animals and people only eat vegetation, because in his idealized past blood is never shed not even by animals. Blood is reserved for sacrifices (that only comes later with the Moses Tabernacle story and performed by priests). In his mind therefore, the imagined golden beginning has no blood shed. P picks up again with his version of a Flood story, after which it has God grant humans a carnivorous diet (but does not have Noah do a sacrifice).

  In contrast, J (the Yahwist Gen 2:3-) has animals used (skinned for clothes, and sacrificed (Abel and Noah) right from the beginning. J having Abel and Noah doing sacrifices explains why he has 7 pairs of "clean" animals whereas P only has 1 pair of all animals.

  The two stories were each idealizations, filled with allegory. They were never supposed to exist side by side, and didn't until a compiler in the Persian period made it so.