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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  P.Pete....I should say so. All people are of this 'world'.

  Duran....Apparently, you do not understand Jesus' view of that..

  Duran....I do understand how elitist sects have historically self-identified as exclusively chosen from, not only the world of humans, but from among the world of Christians. My perspective has obviously changed since leaving such a sect. I was hoping to help you do the same and rejoin the human race.

  I'll remind you that earlier in this discussion you dismissed as irrelevant the fact that the Last Supper description incorporated pagan Greek festival traditions because Christians had given the Passover and it's symbols a new meaning. Surely this mirrors how many Christians view the adaptation of Christmas traditions. If the Gospel writers had no issue with adapting and appropriating Greek festival elements, why do you?

  Your answer was provided when you graciously allowed me to pick a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus, as long as it wasn't the same day as other Christians (world) had chosen. The root of your objection to celebrating the 25th is your contempt for other Christian faiths.
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  DEFEND YOUR BORDERS OR LISTEN TO THE WATCHTOWER?

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/dnoww-4jfao?si=ehzmc5-gxqukgn7q.

  with ww3 on the horizon the watchtower is bringing out their best hits on the issue of neutrality and the latest instalment on jw.org with stephen lett has the theme " why ancient israelites were allowed to go to war but as a christian you can't " or to paraphrase for a 2024 audience " why the modern state of israel is allowed all the nuclear weapons to defend their borders but you as a western european or north american you aren't supposed to compliant against open border policies and uncontrolled illegal migration" isn't that the exact same rhetoric or is it my imagination?

  so one of stephen lett's go to arguments is that christians do not take up arms because we don't live in ancient times where israelites had a mandate to occupy the holy land where as we gentile christians we don't.

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  The dozen of less people who crave this kind of bunk have so many other places to go. Why are you insistent upon derailing this forum's purpose?

  You 8-10 guys can now give me a negative vote.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  My point is, Dec 25 is not Jesus' birthday.

  Since the stories of Jesus' birth were diverse and late additions to the narrative, the best anyone could argue is that there were multiple traditions. If we were to be objective about it, the lack of a date is consistent with the literary nature of the whole story. All considered, the date of Dec 25 is as appropriate as any, perhaps more so as the celebration of light and Jesus being described in solar/light motifs.

  No where in the Bible was it asked for his followers to memorialize his birth. The date and choice to memorialize it was complete done by people of 'the world'.

  I should say so. All people are of this 'world'.

  It is not Scriptural and all that is associated with celebrating Christmas is dishonoring to the one it is claim that it is being done for.

  There are many 'scriptures' that encourage singing, generosity, eating well and expressing love. These are often forgotten in a cultish obsession over purity.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  I dont know a lot about this stuff, although it is very interesting. From what Ive read, logos,as used by the Greeks speaks about an abstract idea that involved the way god created the universe. The gospel of john attaches a distinct identity to this, which is actually a radical change.

  As has been discussed recently on this forum the Jews had adopted the Logos concept as a variation of the much older 2nd Power theology. The G. John's use of the expression is actually pretty consistent with Philo's. The distinction some Christians make is that their Logos was a physical being. That ignores the Jewish tradition that the 2nd power had at times taken a physical appearance to eat or commune with humans. A second aspect rarely considered is that the Gospel narratives were originally metaphor and dramatizations in the same spirit as was popular, in both Jewish and Christian circles, to understand many OT narratives. As such it is difficult to be certain just how much conceptual light can be seen between Hellenistic Judaism and a sect of that movement that eventually became called Christianity.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  joey...The Gospel of John, counter to the order of writing, may in fact represent a branch of Christianity more primitive than the other Gospels. Sure, much of the narrative is derived from the Synoptics yet it also relies upon sources independent from that. The Logos concept predates the Synoptics by hundreds of years as you know; that fact alone suggests the Christology of the prologue of John is likely very early. The community for whom the Gospel was written may have been, and I believe to have been, preserving elements of a more primitive concept of Christ.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Duran if you prefer to argue that the writer of the Gospel intended us to understand Jesus attended celebrations only to be by crowds, aren't you free to do the same? Personally, I attend Christmas parties without being concerned about the religious aspects many still attach to it. Friends and family are more important than any of the other traditions of Christmas anyway.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Duran, Maybe think about the fact that Jesus is depicted as celebrating Hanukah. The Temple lights filled the night. That was not a celebration directed in the OT.

  Also consider, when the last supper (Passover according to Synoptic Gospels) is described, it is not according to the directions in Exodus but followed traditions adapted from Greek Symposium tradition. The Talmud accommodates these changes on the grounds that the situation had changed. They were no longer slaves. Rather than hastily eat standing with sandals on and staff in hand, the now ate relaxed and reclining on a couch. They used wine, which was forbidden as the prohibition against yeast or any product of yeast in the homes and defied the theme of haste. The multiple cups of wine and singing are all later traditions not in the OT. They also no longer put blood on doorposts which was directed. The point is an honest look at the NT stories and epistles reveals not an obsession with the past or a literal interpretation of the OT but an evolving living faith with people adapting to new circumstances and cultural influences.

  Happy Holidays
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  P Diddy list of names

  by liam in

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  no wonder the left was furious when elon musk bought twitter.. someone leaked some of the names of the epstein files before they went public.

  the complete list is still pending.

  doesn't matter if it's the governing body, celebrities, politicians, theoretical physicist, cosmologist, the royal family, and more, are just ordinary humans who lust for sexual ..............!!!!!.

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  Hunter Biden (who is a private citizen) was charged and convicted of tax evasion, a crime a poster said made Trump an American hero. The difference is Trump will now try to pardon himself. He is also charged with illegally carrying a gun. A crime Trump admits to doing but which many Trump supporters want to see repealed. Claiming the DOJ works for Biden is just selective bias. The American tradition of an independent DOJ is likely over with Trump's attempt to remove all checks and balances.

  Artist who painted Bill in dress had 'no idea' it was in Jeffrey Epstein's home

  

  The artist painted Clinton in Monica's dress as a parody, social commentary. He also painted Bush as a child playing with paper airplane. I can't imagine either President appreciated them.
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  P Diddy list of names

  by liam in

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  no wonder the left was furious when elon musk bought twitter.. someone leaked some of the names of the epstein files before they went public.

  the complete list is still pending.

  doesn't matter if it's the governing body, celebrities, politicians, theoretical physicist, cosmologist, the royal family, and more, are just ordinary humans who lust for sexual ..............!!!!!.

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  peacefulpete

  I should have added that, as an American, I believe in due process. It would be un-American and unethical to assume Trump had engaged in illegal sexual activity with underaged girls through his friendship with Epstein. Tempting as it is.