during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.
i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.
then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.
Damage control is right.
Now all those JWs who researched on the internet and discovered all this no longer need to feel worried and can talk about it openly.
"See! The GB are open about the "adjustments in understanding". One sure sign that we can trust them and that this must be the truth."
And so it goes on...
i was told today that my jw family had a massive family gathering with presents exchanged, drinks and a big roast dinner.
they even wore paper hats.. the day they chose for this family day?.
26th december.. totally not christmas or anything - honest.. does anyone elses family do that?
I was told today that my JW family had a massive family gathering with presents exchanged, drinks and a big roast dinner. They even wore paper hats.
The day they chose for this family day?
26th December.
Totally not Christmas or anything - honest.
Does anyone elses family do that? It used to be "surprise day" for the kids in December so they wouldnt miss out when they went back to school but this is the first time I've heard of it being so blatant.
so i am trying to understand if i am the only pomo that experiences the situation where the pimi spouse comes back from a meeting a different personanlity.
it may not be obivious to the untrained eye, but i notice it and i know my sons notice it.
this last round after all the loyalty bs and armagedon bs it's like she has stayed stuck in it.
I tend to see this more when they come back from the conventions. I remember after the last one I attended, 2015 my brother in law telling me on the Sunday evening that he's going to quit his job and pioneer, and he was full of euphoria. Not surprising due to the around of propaganda videos they show nowadays.
If your PIMI wife stopped attending meetings for a while, perhaps due to a long holiday abroad she'd also gradually become a different person. In a good sense. I found my low moods and guilt evaporated when I stopped attending meetings and reading the literature.
last week i posted a thread asking about who knew any "real anointed" and got some cracking replies.. that got me to thinking, as someone brought up in the 70's and 80's in the watchtower religion, my experience of bible studeis in their homes and those who made it to the hall were mostly batshit crazy or at least people with some serious quirks.. i'll relate a few, none of whose names i remember with any clarity.. in our cong we had an older couple who were from london, but who had been in the 1950's in the circuit work in the mid west usa.
they brought along some woman one night they had started a study with who told everyone cheerfully she was a recovering alcoholic and this was her cure (coming to the meetings).
this went on for a few weeks until one night they brought her to the memorial and she was royally pissed, and i mean barely able to stand; and went up to the platform table and necked some wine.
I remember a few.
On guy who used to think you could ask god a question then flip open the bible at a random page and stick a pin it and it’d give you the answer. I remember he used to wear a shirt and tie and a leather waistcoat to the KH.
A man and woman who, despite being married, live in separate houses but turn up to the meetings together. She would only wear clothes from charity shops and used to take things out of rubbish tips and hoard them in her house. I always felt sorry for her husband. He seemed a nice decent bloke but obviously was stuck with her.
One guy was studying and after a while claimed he was anointed (not even baptized). This progressed to him claiming to be Jesus brother, then Jesus himself. Last I heard he was claiming to be part of “the godhead” and had special powers. I really hope he’s still attending.
during the pyeongchang 2018 olympic and paralympic winter games, which were held from february 9-25, 2018, and march 9-18, 2018, brothers and sisters in korea engaged in a special campaign to offer the many international visitors bible-based publications free of charge.. .
here are protesters exercising their rights to free speech at a 2019 international convention in melbourne, australia.
just like the jehovah's witnesses have rights to hold up magazines while olympic attendees walk by, protesters at the jehovah's witness convention are not given their rights to walk around with their signs and protest.
And that cult logo has become their new golden calf.
"We dont have symbols... we just put our website all over our Kingdom Halls, attendance jackets, tie pins, pens, pads badges and even earrings."
i'm a first time poster and i apologize if this topic has been discussed before.
when i met my wife she was disfellowshiped and were happy, got married, and had a kid.
after we had our daughter she got reinstated so her family and her jw "friends" could spend time with our daughter.
Been in your (similar) shoes mate. My ex was still JW when I woke up and left. I found the best solution was not to mention or talk about religion or god at all and just be the cool dad. Birthdays, Christmas, whatever. No kid is gonna actively choose the boring JW way of life when given the option of the real world.
As for meeting attendance, there's little you can do when she's with her mum. But encourage the kid to keep asking questions.
BTW, here's a link to the JW Lawyers manual that they use to make the non-JW parent appear to be intolerant and incompentant. https://faithleaks.org/wiki/documents/9/95/Cc-E-1988.pdf
The book makes my blood boil.
growing up in scotland in the 1970s in scotland the anointed were few and far between, but we had one old dude in our cong who claimed to be one of the anointed.
in the days when it was taken seriously.. i'd be curious how you viewed them.
thing is, he wasn't an elder, or even a ministerial servant, just a plain old publisher.. but he was revered like he had a hotline to jesus.. the other week i was talking to a friend of similar age to me but who hung around the wt a lot longer than i did, and he just commented "oh him... he was a doddery old fool who used to just sit and piss himself.
Joe Gibson from the old days in Liverpool. He was already dead by the time I was born in 1984 but in the late 80s and early 90s he was still talked about. Only ever saw one photo of him sitting in Manchester City football ground where we used to have conventions back then. He lived to about 95yo.
The fact that he was still talked about shows how few and far between "the annointed" were back then.
Nowadays they're ten a penny I hear.
apparently the jws of coventry, england, have been spending their congregation's money buying names and addresses from the local council.
i wonder what they want them for and is this something that each congregation does?
i'm curious now.
When I worked in immigration and was in the Polish group, I was asked by the elder running it if i'd kindly make a list of names and addresses of Polish people in Liverpool.
I told him it's against the law. He replied "who's law?"
I never did it. And I'm glad I never did. Even though I was a zealout back then it stank of underhandedness.
i need to vent again here.
because i have no one else to talk with and no one who really understands except for the people here.
my wife is the most dangerous kind of jw.
My go to line is:
Do you think your organisation is perfect?
No
So what’s wrong with it?
as much as i enjoy you and pete's company, you also know our understanding of how much we want you to be reunited with jehovah and his people.. .
we did not set the standards for what jehovah says about our associations with those who choose to not serve him.
so we will always be there for you and pete, but it is in your hands as to how we can enjoy your friendship.. .
Trotters, are you SURE you don’t shun?
