Posts by Perry

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What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

by Perry in

of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

.....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

Perry

Death is not murder when ordained by the proper legal authority. God, the highest authority ordained that the wages of sin is death. All people die as a result of that one way or another. All people are not murdered. Yet, all people die.

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The medical specialist told me something alarming today. Pretty bummed.

by Julia Orwell in

so i've been going to doctors for years with chronic fatigue, a condition i managed ok but which took a drastic nose dive in late 2011 to 2012 to the point where i could barely function.

work was part of the problem, so at the end of that year i left that stressful environment.

but in the meantime, for the last few years i've been going to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists and psychologists and undergoing every sort of blood test you can imagine and seeing all sorts of medical people.

Perry

JW Fatigue Syndrom:

I personally found toal rest and peace in my life through Jesus Christ.

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his". Hebrews 4: 10

Christ was my last resort. My only regret is that I waited so long.

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I am having a Bad Day today

by KateWild in

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stressed again with my circumstances.

very tiresome, but i need to be positive.

are you an optimistic soul?

Perry

Don't be defeated. When life gives you lemons.... make lemonade!

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Mormons and JW's share(d) these two things...

by ILoveTTATT in

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i was noticing in the photodrama of creation that "nearer, my god, to thee", a song that russel included in the photodrama, is sung in the lds.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaxry1rxzke.

also, "how firm a foundation", also included in the photodrama, is included in lds songbooks.. .

http://www.lds.org/music/library/hymns/how-firm-a-foundation?lang=eng.

Perry

They are just historical Christian hymns.

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What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

by Perry in

of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

.....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

Perry

Murder is Murder regardless of the justification.

"No one takes it away from Me. On the contrary, I lay it down voluntarily." John 19:18 (Amplified)

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What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

by Perry in

of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

.....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

Perry

Sinful Humans haven't changed much.

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What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

by Perry in

of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

.....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

Perry

Yes, a person. Jesus' blood is part of his personage. There is no conflict there. The scripture citation above just narrows down exactly what about that person is the object of faith for a Christian. You can't say you accept Jesus but not his blood covenant and expect your condition to change. This is where the WT goes too far South and promotes self-liberation by their "growing to perfection" doctrine.

About Human Sacrifice:

Every man and woman who has ever lived has been a victim of human sacrice. Man is incapable of self-liberation by any means. "The wages of sin is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord". (NWT) Christ's blood pays this debt vicariously, if we accept it.

God puts an end to Human Sacrifice. We were created for His enjoyment, his pleasure, his family, his love and his Life to be within us, as it is within him.

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What is the OBJECT of Faith For a Christian? (precisely)

by Perry in

of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in god's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the f&ds ....blah, blah, blah.. but what else is there?

.....another organization, faith in jehovah, faith in jesus, faith in the bible?

what precisely is the primary object of faith for a christian?.

Perry

Of course we were all shamed for not having enough faith in God's spirit directed organization, the elder arrangement, the F&DS ....Blah, Blah, Blah.

But what else is there? .....Another organization, Faith in Jehovah, Faith in Jesus, Faith in the Bible? What precisely is the PRIMARY Object of Faith for a Christian?

BLOOD - that is the object of faith for a biblical, historical, first century kind of Christian.....that's it.

"God presented him as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood..... forgiving the sins that occurred in the past" - Romans 3: 25 (NWT)

If a person believes that Jesus' Blood Covenant will make him White like snow before a righteous and Holy God who expects the same, then it will. If he don't, it won't. If someone claims to put faith in that blood, then he won't let anyone talk him out of being obedient to Jesus when he said:

And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. Mt 26: 27 (NWT)

And, he won't try to add anything to it either..... like faith in a particular church or organization as an additional requirement. "It is finished" , says Jesus.

You can't have it Both Ways Mr. Anonymous Watchtower writer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGJwAENQuk

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New here and having ah ha moments!

by Angus Beef in

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what made you realize it was time to go?

i've been having health problems for the last few years and instead of any help, i'm listed as spiritually weak and of course associations is only my kids and husband.

all the good jw's have moved to other congregations and are doing well.

Perry

That's how it got for me. Going to the KH just became mentally and emotionally exhausting. With all the clicks and good 'ole boy connections, it was simply too hostile of an environment for me to personally function within.

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Need help to do a "talk"!

by ILoveTTATT in

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the talk is called "the right religion demonstrates true faith in christ".

i have to help my fading gf give the talk.

if you have any subtle "apostate" ideas, i would appreciate them.. here is what i would like to say:.

Perry

How about this:

You: I'm glad you asked this question K. Let's turn to Matther Chaper 26 vs, 27 for the answer:

And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

Jehovah's Witnesses show their support for Jesus by reading this scripture each Memorial. It clearly shows how that our forgiveness of sins is inextricably linked to membership in the New Covanant. The Watchtower teaches that the eight man governing body leading our organization have their sins forgiven by their membership in the New Covenant.

Her: Wow. That is so loving! But how can I personally benefit?

You: Well, we as rank and file members receive benefits and are given the priviledge of working for our salvation under their blessed direction. We have hope that one day we will be declared righteous if we remain in good standing with the elders.

Her: Where is that in the bible?

You: Well, I can see that our time is just about up. I think you can see that JW's really do believe in Jesus after all. We will pick this up again next week when we discuss what happens to those who end up at the Great White Throne Judgment without a Mediator. Whew!...Seems to be getting a little hot in here. See you next week!