"the fact of evolution"
Like the kind that produced DNA? The one that stastically needs more DNA than could fill the whole universe? Is that the evolution you are talking about?
Posts by Perry
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40Naturalism is Dead - Why Are Believers Stuck in the Past?
by Perry insigmund freud, karl marx and charles darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought.
they differed in many ways but had one thing in commonthey were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes.
they were the pillars of naturalism.. but their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting.
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Naturalism is Dead - Why Are Believers Stuck in the Past?
by Perry insigmund freud, karl marx and charles darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought.
they differed in many ways but had one thing in commonthey were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes.
they were the pillars of naturalism.. but their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting.
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Cofty,
This thread isn't about evolution, it is about a FAILED worldview. Consider:
"This means 1 / 10 89190 DNA molecules, on the average, must form to provide the one chance of forming the specific DNA sequence necessary to code the 124 proteins. 10 89190 DNA's would weigh 10 89147 times more than the earth, and would certainly be sufficient to fill the universe many times over. It is estimated that the total amount of DNA necessary to code 100 billion people could be contained in ½ of an aspirin tablet. Surely 10 89147 times the weight of the earth in DNA's is a stupendous amount and emphasizes how remote the chance is to form the one DNA molecule. A quantity of DNA this colossal could never have formed."— R.L. Wysong, The Creation-Evolution Controversy, p. 115.
Except for stragglers like yourself, most have already moved into the UFO / Alien camp where they belong. Bill Clinton "wouldn't be surprised" and the Dawkins is already there.
What motivates the hangers on?
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Naturalism is Dead - Why Are Believers Stuck in the Past?
by Perry insigmund freud, karl marx and charles darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought.
they differed in many ways but had one thing in commonthey were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes.
they were the pillars of naturalism.. but their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting.
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Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx and Charles Darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought. They differed in many ways but had one thing in common—they were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes. They were the pillars of naturalism.
But their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting. Freud was the first fall. Incidents in his career were cited to call into question both his integrity and his scientific competence, and psychiatry seemed to make more progress through medication than through Freudian analysis. The collapse of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s inflicted a death blow on Marxism, which is now seen as not only failing to deliver its promised utopia but as creating an inhumane tyranny. Darwin is the last man standing, but his theory is rapidly eroding as modern biological science reveals amazing complexity and design that cannot possibly be explained by Darwin’s proposed mechanism of random mutations and natural selection.
Its been brought out many times on this board that there is enough information in the Human DNA to fill volumes of books stacked from the earth to the moon 500 times.
A while back a couple of Harvard boys figured out how to cram more than 700 terabytes of information into a gram of DNA.
As amazing as the DNA storage system is, it does not even begin to address the source of all the complex infromation. Information is the same regardless of whether it is stored in DNA, a hard Drive or text books.
For some strange reason there seems to be an abundance of naturalists on this board, in spite of these facts.
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
Ignorant statements like this one made by 19th century humorist Mark Twain are presented as support for a naturalist world-view. How long are Naturalist believers going to hang on to this failed ideology?
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Why don't Born Again Christians include themselves as "Cults"?
by booker-t inwhen i see or hear born again christians calling mormons, jws, 7th day adventists, jews etc; cults i always have wondered is that not the pot calling the kettle black?
i just amazes me how so much in denial bacs(born again christians) are.
they love to condemn and throw stones at others but they will never, never, and i mean never label themselves as cults even though they have some of the weirdest beliefs.
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Perry
Cofty,
All I know is what Christ has done and is doing for me....quite apart from my will power.
I have been born again since 2004. I experienced the new spirit described in the scriptures. I have done things and experienced things that would have previously been impossible for me. The born again experience is a very real event. It does not happen just because you attend some particular church or not. It is God who ratifies the NT contract with a believer, not some man who baptizes you or delivers sermons on Sunday morning. In any church, there will be a significate number of unsaved people attending - irregardless of their membership status.
The nature of the new birth is clear in scripture:
1 John 3: 8b & 9 - For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
From God's point of view there are three "YOU'S". You have flesh and you are flesh. You are spirit and at the same time you have a spirit. You have a soul and you are a soul.
The Watchtower makes a big deal out of the phrase "Adam became a living soul", trying to make the argument that Adam was given a soul and was not a soul also. However, other scriptures contridict this materialist view and call "you" (or they) a soul. For example :
Rev. 6: 9 & 10 - I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
We use similar interchangableness of terms when talkng about our body. The two following statements still mean "you" even though the words are different:
1. She pinched my arm.
2. She pinched me.
Both statements mean "YOU".
A person can know that he is born again if he continues to keep God's commandmants AND if he has the internal withness of the Holy Spirit that bares witness with our spirit that we are the Children of God.
1 John 3: 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
This is the work of God "not of man, lest anyone should boast". Eph. 2: 8,9
The born again person experiences a release of the "grip" of sin on his entire being because one of the "YOUs" that constitute his makup is already perfected ..... in this life.
With these ideas in mind Galatians 5 really comes alive:
"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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JW threatens women while in field service, gets arrested.
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.lehighvalleylive.com/northampton-county/index.ssf/2014/04/bethlehem_man_forces_way_into.html.
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a 27-year old bethlehem man forced his way into a lehigh township home and allegedly threatened a woman, lehigh township police say.. saverio michael pasqualucci stopped at the home in the 900 block of south cottonwood road about 10:30 wednesday morning, knocked on the door and offered a pamphlet from the jehovah's witness church in nazareth, documents says.. when the woman inside the home said she wasn't interested, pasqualucci walked away but came back about 10 minutes later, saying, "hey aren't you going to let me in, i'm a friend and here to see your husband," records say.. the woman told pasqualucci to get off the property and said she was going to call police, according to records.. pasqualucci then forced his way into the home and made threatening statements to the woman, records say.. "i just got made, i'm here to do a hit," he told the woman, who was afraid she would be harmed and called police, records say.. the woman told police she was afraid pasqualucci was going to harm her by killing her, assaulting her or raping her, records say.. when lehigh township police arrived at the home, they spoke to pasqualucci, standing by a black ford truck, parked partially in the driveway, records say.. pasqualucci identified himself, provided his address and said he was at the home to see the woman's husband, whose name he did not know, records say.. pasqualucci was arraigned in front of district judge robert hawke on charges of burglary, criminal trespass, aggravated assault, simple assault, harassment and terroristic threats with the intent to terrorize another.. he is in northampton county prison in lieu of $50,000 bail and his preliminary hearing is scheduled for 9 a.m. april 11..
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Perry
Look on the bright side - Technically, he never ended his field service that morning. So, he should be able to still count his time while in prison.
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Need some advice...For my kids
by Jon Preston insince being out mentally and missing meetings my children mention people from the hall and i cant help but feel bad that they are missing the association.
my daughters are 4 and 2 and we live in a small town with not a whole lot to do.
what activities did you do with your kids?
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Perry
My 7 & 8 Yr. old's schedule:
Monday - Friends come over from Church for a 8 week course on witnessing. Normally it's Basketball, little league, or soccer practice
Tuesday - Homework
Wednesday - Homework then AWANA at church with about 30 other kids their age.
Thursday - Homework
Friday - Family Movie Night
Saturday - Basketball, Little League, or Soccer game
Sunday - Church and total rest
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Why don't Born Again Christians include themselves as "Cults"?
by booker-t inwhen i see or hear born again christians calling mormons, jws, 7th day adventists, jews etc; cults i always have wondered is that not the pot calling the kettle black?
i just amazes me how so much in denial bacs(born again christians) are.
they love to condemn and throw stones at others but they will never, never, and i mean never label themselves as cults even though they have some of the weirdest beliefs.
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Perry
Early Christians trusted in Christ Alone, [ for salvation from Judgment] not men, a group, a church or a single man... like a Pope figure. The New Testament written by the apostles, was their only authority. Being born again was accompanied by renewed strength of the believer to live a separated life and victory over the sin they were previously powerless to change. I say "renewed" because children have this "strength".
When these evidences of an exchanged life (with Christ) were experienced, the believer could truthfully testify that it was not due to his own will-power. What exactly happens is this: at the moment of being born again, the believer receives a new and perfected spirit that cannot sin. This is a part of his inheritance that he receives in this life as a child of God - being no longer God's enemy.
The believer will still sin to the extent that he follows his unsaved and unregenerated flesh. To the extent that he follows the spirit that now resides in him, he will not sin.
In the Christian faith, reliance on will-power only creates more debt to God and more damnation. This is what the cults are all about - trusting in someone or something other than, or in addition to - Jesus. This is idolatry and their will-worship is vanity.
Romans 4: 4 - Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt
Col. 2: 23 - Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship
(King James Version)
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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide
by wannabefree inthis is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.
of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.
god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.
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Perry
God gave them a break, why not the Canaanites.
Well, it is precisely because HE CHOSE NOT TO.... as was his right as God. He owed nothing but judgment to the Caananites..... as everyone else. This however, does not prevent the exercise of mercy at times. This is what drives the liberal-indoctrinated mind into insanity. They are living in a round room and trying to find a corner to sit in. They think they are owed all possible mercies and blessings of God, when the opposite is true. They are only owed JUDGMENT. And of course, the minimum requirement of that judgment would be: if they have judged others for something they are guilty of. THAT is justice.
For the prudent, we do not seek justice from God, we seek mercy.
However, I perceive another current at work here in this thread. The watchtower indoctrination program that we were all subjected to conditioned us to view governments as eeeeevillll. The devil runs them all. I can't tell you how much this teaching screwed with my head as a young late-teenage man.
Of course the bible states that the governments are God's minister for justice..... entities to be supported and even to indulge a limited amount of national pride into. The tolerance principles laid down in the NT governed Western Culture for many hundreds of years with a large degree of success by many measures.
But noooooo, governments are evil...... and at the most they are to be tolerated enough to keep the average JW out of jail. JW's have NO respect for the governmental arrangement instituted by God as described in the NT. All this is rejected by the WT. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.
Additionally, they have NO respect for the providence of God UNLESS the WT says that it is OK. THEY ALONE are the interpreters of Gods wishes; and because they are God's SOLE CHANNEL of communication on earth, if they say that God has changed his mind on something... then by golly you better hop and skip to the tune my darlin' lest you lose all your loved ones. In the JW world, God has NO authority....having given it all to the F&DS. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.
And, of course; it goes without saying that Christians that use the bible as a FINAL authority on matters of faith are viewed as pathetic imps that are only using the mercies of God as an excuse to indulge into whatever sin they want to. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.
For many ex-JWs, once they have eliminated the only authority that they have ever recognized [the WT], what's left? Just themselves. The vacuum is filled. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.
So this brings us to people like Blondie, Cofty, and Shirley who cannot bring themselves to accept the Merriam Webster definition of God. How could they? This goes against their indoctrination.
So, Blondie, Cofty , Shirley.... what is your position on abortion?
Many God-Rejecting liberals rail against God for passing judgment on an entire wicked, murderous community thousands of years ago so that he could acheive a "a greater good" on this earth; yet at the same time they pass judgment on the abortion of children on grounds of personal convenience.... their own personal "greater good".
The bottom line is this: In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.
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The Lord's Evening Meal - How Often?
by Bobcat inthe 12/15/2013 study wt has the article, "this is to be a memorial for you.
" in it, paragraph 7 (on page 18) makes the statement, ".
27 also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: drink out of it, all of you; 28 for this means my blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.. (note that matthew's rendition leaves out the "keep doing this .
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Perry
"For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives"
Imagine that, the lord leaving this issue open for each group to decide.
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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide
by wannabefree inthis is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.
of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.
god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.
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Perry
Cofty,
As I pointed out, the bible describes personal responsibilities, civic responsibilities, and responsibilities that lie in the providence of God. There are times however when the issue of "greater good" does fall into the hands of individuals and governments.
For example, an individual may have to make a decision to "unplug" a loved one from a mechine for the greater good of limiting suffering.
A government may have to make a distasteful decision to wipe out a community like hiroshima and nagasaki to limit the costlier causalty count of a land invasion against a totalitarian agressor. Even in man's limited scope, there are exceptional circumstances that demand a human price for the "greater good".
So I ask, if we in our limited scope can at times, under extraordinary circumstance exact a human cost for the greater good, how can you criticize God in his infinite wisdom, good, and authority from doing the same?
