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  Parousia (again)

  by leaving_quietly in

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  i noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.

  "the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!

  i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.

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  The sudden "depature" or rapture or 'snaching away" of Christians in not a new teaching. The rapture is taught in the NT and was believed by early Christians:

  Ephraim The Syrian

  Ephraim (306 AD – 373 AD) was made a deacon in the church in Syria in 338 and later became the bishop of Nisibis. Although he was made a “saint” in the Roman Catholic Church, he was not involved in Catholicism and did not even live in the Roman Empire until the final years of his life. The book Pseudo Ephraim was one of his still existing works. It was called “Pseudo” because of later dispute over authorship. However the book’s one reference to the rapture is very compelling:

  In his work, On The Last Times 2, he wrote:

  “Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? .....

  Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.

  Cyprian
  Cyprian (200 AD – 258 AD) – Cyprian was Bishop of the church in Carthage. During his short stint as leader of the church, he guided the flock through intense persecution at the hands of the Roman Empire. In 258 AD after spending seven months of confinement to his home by order of Roman authorities, he was beheaded for his faith. Several of his works still exist today.

  In Treatises of Cyprian he wrote in describing the end times Great Tribulation:

  “We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”
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  Window-washer is the cover of Feb 2015 WT, "How to enjoy your work!" Hahaha!!

  by EndofMysteries in

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  after all the jokes and satire on this website about jw's only being able to amount to window washers and house cleaners, the cover page of "how to enjoy your work" showing a window washer and cleaner in the back ground.

  i almost wonder if some awakened, still-in, from this site is part of the writing department or illustrations and put that in there as an inside joke for us?.

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  Window Washing looks to be a great "stepping stone" type job. Pays many more times than an hourly gig.

  Not so much fun when you are 50+ though.
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  What exactly do you mean by language in this context Perry ?

  You suddenly have a problem with language? You didn't have a problem with a language definition before I asked you about the DNA lanuage code, did you?. Now all of the sudden, you are having a language crisis. Oh dear.

  I will go back to ignoring you Cofty. Or, you can man up and answer the question. Or, contrary to thousands of scientific characterizations you can along with Vivane and OTWO simply declare in a state of imagined majesty that DNA is not a code and therefore conclude in your own abyss that the question is not valid and therefore not worthy of your answering. Which is it?
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  So Cofty, Where did the DNA code language come from?
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  Western fainess demands that God does his job after we are done here. In fact ANY sense of JUSTICE demands this. Otherwise, there is no justice and there is no God.

  While we are here, Christians are mandated to love others not like themselves , and as far as humanely possible, get along with people and love them as we love ourselves.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  People like MASH will seek to mash anyone in their way unless confonted. They have little sense of fairness and seek destruction. People can no longer take Western notions of fairness for granted.

  Vivane,

  In Europe churches are starting to being forced to perform same sex unions in a Christian Church.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  It will be difficult to stop 'singling you out', you see homophobia is not really acceptable behaviour.

  MASH,

  Your ridicule is all you got. Your ridicule is meaningless, so bring it on. It would not matter one iota if you scream your ridicule at the top of your lungs. It will not stop the fact that homosexuality is condemned by God and that virtually NEVER in the history of the planet has ANY society married such unions. There is no record of even the Sodomites doing such a thing.

  I truly have compassion for anyone trapped in sexual sin. But the answer is not coddling them:

  "Have you not read, that

  He who created them from the beginning made them male and female

  , and said, 'For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh'? Consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." - Jesus

  ...He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter.... (2 Peter 2:6)

  The position is clear for Christians. It makes no difference what a smaller authority says Christians should or should not do. Christians expect to be singled out for their godliness.

  In The Criminalization of Christianity:

  The Talmud’s writings reveal that “before the Flood people started to write marriage contracts between men, in other words, homosexual ‘marriage,’ which is more than homosexual activity – it’s giving an official state stamp of approval, a sanctification … of homosexual partnership.”

  In fact, he said, “the writings indicated that it wasn’t even so much the ‘straw that broke the camel’s back,’ but that the sin in and of itself is so contrary to why God created the world, so contrary to the order of God’s nature, that God said then and there ‘I have to start all over … to annihilate the world and start from the beginning. …’”

  Rabbi Spero went on to say, “Even in ancient Greece they did not write marriage contracts between men. There was homosexuality, and it was wrong, but there was not an official ‘blessed’ policy. … Marriage is ‘sanctification’ (not simply a partnership).” He said to confer the title of sanctification and holiness upon this behavior is “probably one of the greatest sins of all that one does against God’s plan for this world.”

  The one time it happened was: “During the days of Noah.” When I first heard this, my mind immediately went to a verse I’ve heard many times but never with such relevance. The verse is found in Matthew 24:37. It reads:

  As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

  1. social
  2. current

  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  In a related story; In Houston there is a recently unvoted upon city ordinance that allows perverted men who identify with women to legally enter womens restrooms. Houston's lesbian mayor wants to force others to her way of thinking.

  In response to the overthrow of the will of the people, critics organized and collected some 55,000 signatures to force either a repeal or a vote.

  The city secretary stopped counting at about 19,000, affirming that the threshold of some 17,000 signatures had been met. But the city attorney stepped in and imposed several requirements, which opponents said were not in the city charter, and then the city attorney threw out most of the signatures because they didn't have enough signatures! That is simply an outrageous contempt for the law and rights of others.... an identifying mark of anti-theists.

  In response, opponents filed suit. The city then issued subpoenas for the sermons of 5 area pastors, violating their free speech rights. The lesbian mayor is trying to bull-dog the citizens of Houston.
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  I once made the mistake of adressing you Cofty. I asked you were did the DNA code language come from. You simply stated that there was no code. That was the last time I took you seriously. And so no, i don't think I can communicate with you.
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  ordined ministers

  by bobld in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wbts leadership has specific instructions (educational material,books,etc) on how to preach,conduct bible studies and who qualifies to become an ordined minister.the prime obligation of such ministers is the kingdom preaching.*.

  the fds say baptism signifies ordination.almost 8 million j.w.

  are faithfully serving god as his ministers.q2 baptism says.....your dedication and baptism identifys you as one of j.w.

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  Apostate Christendom got to the point of selling "indulgences" before people woke up in the Reformation.

  The watchtower has been selling their various indulgences to biblically illiterate people, and people are waking up as well.