Posts by Perry

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The org and going beyond what is written

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.

now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.

any ideas?

Perry

Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. Mt. 26: 27b & 28 (NWT)

Rev. 7 - After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues... And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

Jesus said that the New Covenant was for the forgiveness of sins. Yet, the Watchtower says that Salvation comes from having a good-standing with the Watchtower organization. How does the average JW get their sins forgiven if they personally reject the New Covenant at each Lord's Supper?

Even though the Great Crowd (Tribulation Believers) are headed for life on earth during the Millennium Reign, they too are declared righteous by the Blood Covenant of the Lamb:

Rev. 22: 14 NWT - Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates.

The Watchtower has gone far beyond the scriptures in preaching a different salvation than the one offered in the Blood Covenant. Regardless of our destination, all are declared righteous the same way. "There is only ONE MEDIATOR, between God and men". And what does he Mediate?

"he is a mediator of a new covenant" - Hebrews 9: 15 NWT

Secondly, the Watchtower teaches that we are being judged now, by how we respond to the teachings and publications of the Watchtower.

The bible teaches the opposite: that we will be judged after we die.

How will the average JW avoid Judgment if the object of their faith is in religion and men and not the Blood Covering of the New Covenant?

Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. Mt. 26: 27b & 28 (NWT)

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last convention before global attack on witnesses

by Phoebe in

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so it's not enough that i'm dealing with post traumatic stress/anxiety and panic attacks all related to my life as a jw (50 years baptized -- i stopped going a couple of months ago) at 3 a.m. i get an email from the other side of the world.

'you have to go to the convention.

bro sanderson says we must watch the news, things are happening.

Perry

Sorry to hear about all your anxiety Phoebe. You are in the process of jettisoning your faith in man-made organizations.

Over and over believers are asked to not put too much trust in men, but to direct it toward God:

Psalms 118:8 - [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Jeremiah 17:5 - Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psalms 118:8-9 - [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Romans 13:8 - Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

2 Timothy 3:13-17 - But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

John 15:4 - Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

At first I went from trust in the organization to trusting in secular "experts". That lasted for about 8 years. Slowly I began to deal with my beliefs and ended up dealing with God on his terms- through Christ and none other.

Take your time. Do your homework. Relax. Have some fun.

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Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy in

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what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

.

Perry

I was thinking that maybe Caucasians maybe had Neanderthal DNA

Yes they do! We all do because Neanderthals are human. Just more natural variation based on breeding.

Notice the prominent brow ridges. Must be a primitive human, right? Many Aborigines have this feature as well. One well-know Russian boxer has what looks like a "neanderthal" shaped skull:

And no, he was not thawed from Siberian ice and taught to shave with his ax, though it was humorous & gracious of him to pose for this image.

He was elected to a Russian legislature after retiring.

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Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy in

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what i'm saying is the white race is the only one that has a verity of eye and hair colors , so what gives?

is it that this race was influenced genetically by a group of pre humans that didn't mix with other races?

.

Perry

When I used to go to China a lot, I got to know and make many friends. Many believed that the Chinese were the original race.

Blue eye color is the result of an absence of melanin. Brown eyes get their color from melanin, the same pigment that colors your skin. But blue eyes don’t have any blue pigment in them. Blue eyes get their color the same way water and the sky get their blue color. They scatter light so that more blue light reflects back out.

All natural variations caused by bottlenecking of genes..... no "pre-human" cause necessary.

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Perry

John 12 in New World Translation:

Although he had performed so many signs before them, they were not putting faith in him, so that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, ... The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said: “He has blinded their eyes and has made their hearts hard, so that they would not see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn around and I heal them.”Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.

All the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but they would not acknowledge him because of the Pharisees, so that they would not be expelled from the synagogue;for they loved the glory of men even more than the glory of God. - NWT

Isaiah saw God in heaven in Isaiah Ch. 6. The Apostle John says Isaiah saw Jesus. He equates the disbelieving of God in Isaiah, to the unbelieving Jews in John 12.

Also:

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Acts: 20: 28 (KJV)

The NWT was forced to add "Son" to change the meaning of this scripture:

"Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd to congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son]." Acts 20;24 (NWT 1984 edition)

The brackets in the NWT indicate words that are not in the original text.The 2013 NWT edition eliminates the parenthesis, but leaves "Son" anyway.

Conclusion: The earliest Christians understood that Jehovah (God) took on human flesh in Jesus, the son of Mary, because they plainly wrote about it.

Reading Hebrews 1 & Revelation 1 in most anything but a NWT, also makes this crystal clear.

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What the heck is CLAM?

by undercover in

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i guess it's a good thing that i've been 'out' of this crazy religion so long that i'm not hip to newer buzzwords.... ...like, clam i'm guessing it's not a fun time at the beach, looking for shells or whatnot.. so, what is clam?.

Perry

C L A M:

Christian Life and Ministry?

I don't thing so. Christianity is characterized by a changed life, dominated by peace from the Prince of Peace and Joy, regardless of circumstance.

I have a new title:

C L A M:

Claiming Lies And Misery

(for your very own)

Rutherford Lied. They died.

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22,000 years of arctic ice cores melt, and wash the YHWH/JESUS concept down the sewer

by fulltimestudent in

the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.

and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.

and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.

Perry

jwleaks,

Surely you know that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

WhatShall says:

counting layers is not how age is calculated

Then you say;

Your own link above makes it clear what ANNUAL layers are

You seem confused. So which is it? Are there yearly layers or not?

US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is clear in the caption above. Supposedly reputable sources clearly reference annual layers. And yet when it is demonstrated that many layers per year form, then you change your argument to many rings per year, but only one layer.

Yet, AntarticGlacier.org says:

Fortunately, ice cores preserve annual layers, making it simple to date the ice. Seasonal differences in the snow properties create layers – just like rings in trees.

So again, which is it in this game of word-smithing?

And then, at some point the layers and rings virtually disappear the further down you get?

Regardless, it is obvious that rings and layers are irrelevant when it comes to dating ice cores. They are relative terms that can be made to fit most any desired outcome. Yet, when supposedly "reputable" sources (defined as ones that say they are old) continue to reference ANNUAL rings AND layers, even though one or both is demonstrably false, it calls into serious question other dating methods, and whether or not those additional methods are just as confusing and non-nonsensical.

The axiom idea: "We date the ice layers by the carbon 14 and we calibrate the carbon 14 by the ice layers" is similar to other circular reasoning found in the religion of scientism:

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22,000 years of arctic ice cores melt, and wash the YHWH/JESUS concept down the sewer

by fulltimestudent in

the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.

and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.

and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.

Perry

counting layers is not how age is calculated

I think that assumption is well represented in literature.

AntarticGlaciers.org says:

Layers In The Ice

If we want to reconstruct past air temperatures, one of the most critical parameters is the age of the ice being analysed. Fortunately, ice cores preserve annual layers, making it simple to date the ice. Seasonal differences in the snow properties create layers – just like rings in trees. Unfortunately, annual layers become harder to see deeper in the ice core. Other ways of dating ice cores include geochemisty, layers of ash (tephra), electrical conductivity, and using numerical flow models to understand age-depth relationships.

This 19 cm long of GISP2 ice core from 1855 m depth shows annual layers in the ice. This section contains 11 annual layers with summer layers (arrowed) sandwiched between darker winter layers. From the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Wikimedia Commons.

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22,000 years of arctic ice cores melt, and wash the YHWH/JESUS concept down the sewer

by fulltimestudent in

the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.

and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.

and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.

Perry

Bob Cardin, of Middleboro, Kentucky, was one of the men who dug the planes out. When asked, “Bob, when you dug that airplane out, how many layers of ice were there above the airplane?”, He said, “Oh, there were many hundreds of layers of ice above the airplane.”

The facts are that in only 48 years, these planes were already under 260 feet of ice, and under "many hundreds" of ice layers.

I need more proof that each ice layer in a core sample takes an entire year to form, especially in light of these images and facts surrounding the lost Squadron.

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22,000 years of arctic ice cores melt, and wash the YHWH/JESUS concept down the sewer

by fulltimestudent in

the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.

and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.

and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.

Perry

The Greenland Society of Atlanta has recently attempted to excavate a 10-foot diameter shaft in the Greenland ice pack to remove two B-17 Flying Fortresses and six P-38 Lightning fighters trapped under an estimated 250 feet of ice for almost 50 years (Bloomberg, 1989). Aside from the fascination with salvaging several vintage aircraft for parts and movie rights, the fact that these aircraft were buried so deeply in such a short time focuses attention on the time scales used to estimate the chronologies of ice.

the average annual thickness of ice at Camp Century located near the northern tip of Greenland is believed to vary from about fourteen inches near the surface to less than two inches near the bottom (Hammer, et al., 1978). If, for simplicity, we assume the average annual thickness to be the mean between the annual thickness at the top and at the bottom (about eight inches), this still gives an age of less than 6000 years for the 4000-foot-thick ice sheet to form under uniformitarian conditions.

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