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  Pet Peeves

  by patio34 in

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  anyone have any pet peeves they'd like to air?

  here's one that just happened at work that is an annoyance for me: when you are speaking and the person interrupts the conversation with a corny play on words or the like.

  for example, "i had to sit on the phone on hold for about 5 minutes, waiting .

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  Perry

  Ok,

  I have to ask ...What is the Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America that several posters are using as their signature quote??
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  Pet Peeves

  by patio34 in

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  anyone have any pet peeves they'd like to air?

  here's one that just happened at work that is an annoyance for me: when you are speaking and the person interrupts the conversation with a corny play on words or the like.

  for example, "i had to sit on the phone on hold for about 5 minutes, waiting .

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  Perry

  Living in one of the most obese cities in the world has prompted my pet peeve. My girlfriend is from Czech Republic and that was the first thing she noticed, the obesity.

  Here it is:

  You're in a grocery store some person who weighs in excess of 300lbs is just slowly ambling along and you cannot pass. They seem unwilling or unable to accomodate people that are of the size that the aisles we designed for.

  Makes me want to scream.
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  Question for Atheists

  by RWC in

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  christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

  for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

  what is your moral foundation?

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  Quoting the most extreme humanist view to characterize the whole movement. No one cares whether you wish to believe in a divine first cause,noone wishes to take that from you.

  I think that I diversified my quotes enough to disuade the thinking that the quotes were extremist. Humanist Manifestoes I and II are the foundation of the movement.

  I think that my previous quote from a Humanist journal from 1983 has proved true. Virtually any discussion of a First Cause and subsequent ethics has been eliminated from public school. While ethics based on the infinite digression of cause and effect events are openly taught. Critics see this as a clear violation of church and state.

  RWC:

  Many Humanists characterize their world view as religious as can be seen in the preface of humanist manifestoes I and II. Others object to this characterization because it would bring about the responsibilities and limitations of a religion under the constitution.

  It appears that the goal of Humanists is a merging of church and state or at least the establishment of a global religion. Political globalists find the tool useful to their agenda.
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  Booted! On the ship! Kicked off! Df'd!

  by teejay in

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  over at kent's cozy discussion forum, at http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=576c225fa464b8a850eaf84a8f511cad&threadid=62, redhorsewoman started a thread wherein she wanted comments about an old highschool classmate (also a jw) that she recently met again.. responding to her post, i said.

  too late for your situation, but i'd treat her as i've come to treat my jw family: leave religion, the truth, jehovah (and the rest of that jw baggage) out of all conversations... unless they bring it up.

  and even then, don't expect much.

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  Young People Ask...

  Is it wrong to argue with fellow apostates once I get old enough to leave the Truth?

  While we do not endorse the leaving of the Truth, many young people decide to do so after participating on discussion boards. In light of this, would it be appropriate to apply the counsel at Titus 3:9 which says, "avoid stupid controversies".

  While apostates will certainly suffer swift distruction and total anilation at the hands of our loving God, such-like ones have wondered if this counsel might apply to them as well.

  While the counsel does only apply directly to the annointed of Jehovah, because of apostates previous association with them, it could very well be construed to apply to them as well.....by extension.

  (Somebody slap the hell outta me...I'm stuck in Whatchtower prose!)

  All I can say is that I have enjoyed many of TEEJays posts. I have also enjoyed many of the posts of those that have been slamming him on this thread too.

  If someone crosses an ethical line, other posters will bring this up and through discussion a consensus should develop as to the right thing to do or not do.

  Endless personal attacks serve no purpose whatsoever.
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  Competing In the name of Jehovah!

  by Beck_Melbourne in

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  inspired while posting on another thread, i was wondering, have you ever competed with other jws to get recognition or favour??

  i can remember as a kid, being in a book study group with other kids, and when it came time to give an answer that kids could cope with...all kiddie sized hands would fly up and we'd all look at each other in the hope that it was our hand that got chosen.

  i remember some kids would burst into tears if they didn't get chosen...and others would scowl or quickly go about looking for the next answer.

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  Boy was I wrong! My "best friend" decided to use the opportunity to slam me for COPYING HER! Again, it was a glaring case of "my dad is an elder and I can do no wrong!" She wasn't my "best friend" anymore after that episode.

  Skully,

  I never had any sisters so women have always been a source of great wonderment for me. Your story above totally cracked me up. I can justy see that happening.

  The world would be an awfully boring place without our wonderful women!
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  The Power of Myth

  by openminded in

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  did anyone happen to catch the series of interviews with joseph campbell that aired on pbs on sunday morning?

  campbell is an author and scholar of mythology and religion.

  i am going to find and buy is book "the power of myth" he offers some very, very good insights and well worth looking at.. om

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  Mmmmm, you've piqued my interest. I'll find some of his writings and give it a whirl.
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  WTS says 'true' Christians don't sin!

  by ozziepost in

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  the april 15 issue of the watchtower carries this statement:.

  "even though we are imperfect and make mistakes, if we pursue righteousness, he shows his love for us in ways that will result in life and blessings.

  " (emphasis added).

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  Isn't that the problem with the judicial committee arrangement? The elders do not see themselves as sinners and so are unable to demonstrate God's forgiveness. As Jesus said: "he who is forgiven little, loves little". (Luke 7:47)

  
  Excellent point. Their attitude seems to be, why can't you just be righteous like us?
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  Question for Atheists

  by RWC in

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  2. bible

  christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

  for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

  what is your moral foundation?

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  Again I ask what would you have us do?Suppress the reality that science has revealed because of some social imperative to believe in God?

  Beleif in an infinite digression of cause and effect events or something from nothing is at least strongly inferred by the atheist if not outright embraced. I ask you a similar question, would you have us pervert science and believe in such unprovable superstition?

  Arguments about our origins are really pointless arent they? Does that mean we shouldn't consider ideas about the subject? No, it does mean that people should have available to them all major views on the subject. That would be the scholarly thing to do. Multi-Culturalism demands it.

  Are Humanists interested in giving people a fair shot at determining what their world-view options are? Or, do they, like their marxist cousins attempt to control and shape information to further their religious agenda?

  The [Humanist] teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach.....The classroom must and will become an area of conflict between...the rotting corpse of Christianity together with its adjacent evils and misery and the new faith of Humanism, respendent in its promise of a world in which the never-realized Christian idea of 'Love Thy Neighbor' will finally be achieved."....."The Humanist" for Jan/Feb 1983, John J. Dunphy

  Many Humanists point out that their real enemy is Christianity because it emphasizes a limited role of government as opposed to the one world government agenda. It places great value on the traditional role of family as opposed to the government taking over many of families' traditional functions and the attempts by Humanist to totally redefine the character of Family for the political purposes of social policy formation.

  We must accept the future will not be smooth or perfect but the human race will survive this transformation from theism to humanism.

  It is statements like the one you make above that has thinking people worried that religious and political totalitarianism is the true goal of Humanists, especially in light of their attempts to silence the competition, even though their own fundamental answers to the question of origins rests profoundly in the realm of superstition.

  In say 100 years, do you really want your children's children to live in an Orwellian world where the government has taken over most every other institution? If Humanism becomes the only world view, what is there to keep its leaders honest if all other world views have been eliminated from the publics' consciousness?

  Our experience from the WBTS should give all of us serious reason for pause when we see any ideology going down the road of censorship and the demonization of its ideological competititors.
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  Society interferes in marriage AGAIN.

  by dmouse in

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  ive not been so angry for a long time.. the watchtower article entitled jehovah hates the course of treachery in the may 1st 2002 issue is a masterpiece of bullshit.

  there are so many points in it i feel that i should make more than one thread.. in this thread i will deal with the issue of marriage discussed from paragraph 13 onwards.

  paragraph 15 warns against marrying an unbeliever and confirms the societys view that only jehovahs witnesses will survive armageddon, so why bother marrying someone who will die soon?.

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  Dakota Red Wrote:

  As they left to attend their latest bout of heavy brainwashing, I was told, "maybe one day you will see what you have done." I take that to mean that the wife has condemned me to die soon, at armegeddon. If it ever does come, I think maybe she will realize what she has done.

  I totally feel for you man. That must be a very difficult position to be in. Are you guys able to have a normal relationship outside of a religious context? Or, does the JWdom seem to effect every aspect of your relationship.

  I mean if she is constantly looking at you as a walking corpse, how much fun can that be? Have yall discussed this?
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  Question for Atheists

  by RWC in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

  for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

  what is your moral foundation?

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  Yet the realities of the 21rst century are irrepressibly eroding the traditional religious foundation that men have leaned upon for millenia.

  Recent years have seen a renewed interest in traditional religious perspectives, especially since many have morphed a bit to become a more relevant in a modern world. Can we thank science for this adjustment? Can we thank Atheists for taking a more critical look? Sure we can.

  As I suggested earlier I feel their role is limited to a stabilizing effect.To keep before the eyes of the world,logic,scientific advances and internationally recognized human rights. I got to believe you agree with me.

  Yes, if limited to what you have described, I fully agree thay would be very useful and is a perspective of great value.

  What means of personal regulation do you wish to endorse?.... I do wish to know in all sincerity.

  The kind you described in your question....."personal regulation" If I attend a religion that controls information so tightly that I don't even know what the hell is going on, then my regulation is in actuality oppression.

  Likewise, if an ideology serving the same societal function as religion attempts to fly under the religious radar and marries itself to our governments for the purpose of social policy formation, limits the information diversity in our educational institutions, and claims to be the only legitimat world-view; then I am no longer self regulating but a mere ideological drone.

  I believe the diversity of ideas is our strongest defense against "group think" and oppression.