Matthew 20:9-12 - "When the 11th-hour men came, all believers in Christ each received everlasting life on earth. 10 So when the G.B. came, they assumed that they would receive more and become immortal kings in heaven, but they too were paid with everlasting life on earth. 11 On receiving it, they began to complain against the master of the house 12 and said, ‘These last men didn't run the org; still you made them equal to us.' So Jesus asked them if they were aware of what Adam actually lost for mankind, and to explain to him why they thought that his ransom could buy back more than what Adam forfeited."
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G.B.'s fantasy about "heavenly power"
by BoogerMan inmatthew 20:9-12 - "when the 11th-hour men came, all believers in christ each received everlasting life on earth.
came, they assumed that they would receive more and become immortal kings in heaven, but they too were paid with everlasting life on earth.
11 on receiving it, they began to complain against the master of the house 12 and said, ‘these last men didn't run the org; still you made them equal to us.
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For all JW's: Stop calling others "apostates."
by BoogerMan inif you don't want to be thrown into gehenna, read what your own faithful evil slave & christ say:.
cj chap.
3 p. 110 chapter 3 - "jesus christ said: “whoever says, ‘you despicable fool!’ (apostate) will be liable to the fiery gehenna.” (matt.
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If you don't want to be thrown into Gehenna, read what your own
faithfulevil slave & Christ say:cj chap. 3 p. 110 Chapter 3 - "Jesus Christ said: “Whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ (apostate) will be liable to the fiery Gehenna.” (Matt. 5:22) The person who wrongly condemned his brother as a “despicable fool,” (apostate) that is, as being morally worthless, would be in great danger of such a serious consequence. This is because he would be viewing his brother as deserving the judgment of Gehenna, or hoping that his brother would suffer that judgment. In his heart he would be desiring this for his brother and, therefore, would be putting himself in line for the punishment he wished for the one whom he was calling a “despicable fool.” (apostate)
w78 4/15 p. 22 - "Jesus then went a step farther, saying: “Whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ (apostate) will be liable to the fiery Gehenna.” (Matt. 5:22c) The Greek word rendered “you despicable fool” is mōré. A similar-sounding Hebrew term (moreh) means “rebellious,” “mutinous”...mōré designates one as morally worthless, an apostate and rebel against God."
Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs, particularly the accepted beliefs/religious law of a religious organization. (A heretic disagrees with one or more teachings of the religious hierarchy)
Apostasy is the term used to describe the renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a person's former religion. (An apostate completely abandons their religion and openly denounces it)
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.
why don't the jw's do the same?.
from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
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@ Seabreeze - So you're saying that if I willfully sin for 840 months, (70 years) the God which you worship is going to punish me terribly - for all of eternity???????? 😕😕😕😕😕😕
And you think your "God" is loving & just? No human judge on earth would be as evil as that!
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Bible study
by GregT ini used to attend the meetings and was baptized about 30 years ago but i haven't gone to the meetings or associated with any one i new from the congregation for around 15 - 20 years.
i want to get back to studying but i am not ready to go to any meetings.
other than the watchtower and awake what book is used these days for people just starting to study with jehovah's witnesses?.
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@ GregT - Welcome to the forum.
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Radical shake up
by Mikejw inimagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.
we know many mistakes have been made.
we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.
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The words "dog" & "vomit" immediately spring to mind.
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Dates and times
by jhine inlast night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .
we have been working through the whole letter.
verses 1-11 start with .
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@ MIKE JW - It's Luke 21:8
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May 2024 Study Watchtower - Oops!
by BoogerMan inmay 2024 study watchtower: par.
8 p. 10 - "the theme text of this article states that jehovah “does not desire anyone to be destroyed.” instead, he wants “all to attain to repentance.” that said, we must acknowledge that jehovah has not yet revealed to us what he will do in answer to this question.".
au contraire, evil slave, au contraire!.
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May 2024 Study Watchtower: Par. 8 p. 10 - "The theme text of this article states that Jehovah “does not desire anyone to be destroyed.” Instead, he wants “all to attain to repentance.” That said, we must acknowledge that Jehovah has not yet revealed to us what he will do in answer to this question."
Au contraire, evil slave, au contraire!
Have you not read, Revelation 11:3 - "I will cause my
8.5mtwo witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days,"and
Revelation 14:6 - "And I saw another
G.B. memberangel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people."???????C'mon Writing Committee, even PIMI's no longer swallow the org's "understandings" of these verses!
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The ORG'S "foundation" name............
by BoogerMan in.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".
the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".
jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".
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@ SBF - I'll stick to the Biblical evidence that the name of Jesus Christ was to be the priority in Christians' minds & speech, not "Jehovah."
After the millennium is over, that will obviously change. (1 Corinthians 15:28: "...that God may be all things to everyone.")
THE NAME FOR WITNESSING
Isaiah 62:2 - "... be called by a new name, which the very mouth of Jehovah will designate."
Acts 11:26 - "the disciples were by divine providence called Christians."
Matthew 10:18 - ".....for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations.
Mark 13:9 - "......before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them."
Luke 24: 47,48 - "....and on the basis of his [Jesus'] name....You are to be witnesses....."
John 1:15 - "John bore witness about him..." [JESUS]
John 5:37 - "the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me."
John 8:18 - "the Father who sent me bears witness about me."
John 15:26,27 - "the spirit will bear witness about me; and YOU in turn, are to bear witness."
Acts 1:8 - "You [11 faithful apostles] will be witnesses of me...."
Acts 10:39 - "And we are witnesses of all the things he [Jesus] did..."
Acts 10:43 - "To him [Jesus] all the prophets bear witness....."
Acts 13:31 - "who are now his (Jesus') witnesses to the people.
Acts 22:15 - "because you are to be a witness for him [Jesus] to all men......"
Acts 22:20 - "......the blood of Stephen your [Jesus'] witness was being spilled..."
Acts 23:11 - "..... a thorough witness on the things about me in Jerusalem..."
Acts 26:16 -"I ...choose you as an attendant and a witness..respecting me"
Romans 8:16 - "The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit..."
1 Corinthians 1:6 - "even as the witness about the Christ..........."
1 Timothy. 2:6 - "......what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times."
2 Timothy 1:8 - "............of the witness about our Lord.. [Christ]"
1 John 5:9 - "the witness God gives...the fact that he has borne witness concerning his Son."
Revelation 1:9 - "....for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus."
Revelation 12:17 - ".......and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus."
Revelation 17:6 - "........and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus."
Revelation 19:10 - ".....the work of witnessing to Jesus.... bearing witness to Jesus."
Revelation 20:4 - "............ for the witness they bore to Jesus."
THE NAME TO BE USED & CALLED UPON
1 Corinthians 1:2 - "....with all who....are calling upon the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ...."
1 Peter 4:14,16 - "If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy.... But if anyone sufers as a Christian, let him not feel shame......but let him keep on glorifying God in this [Jesus'] name."
John 3:18 - "....he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God"
Acts 2:38 - "......be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...."
Acts 3:6 - "In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, walk!"
Acts 4:10 - ".......in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene......"
Acts 8:16 - ".......been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 9:27 - ".....and how in Damascus he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus."
Acts 10:48 - "With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ."
Acts 16:18 - "“I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.”
Acts 19:5 - "On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
In whose name were Christians to witness? (see 29 scriptures above)
For whose name would Christians be hated? (Matt. 10:22)
By whose name were people healed? (Acts 3:6; Acts 4:10)
By whose name were demons expelled? (Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18; Acts 19:13)
By whose name would people receive Holy Spirit? (John 14:26)
In whose name would people pray to God? (John 15:16)
By whose name would people be named? (Isa. 62:2; Acts 11:26)
By whose name would people be reconciled to God? (Rom. 5:10; 2 Cor. 5:18)
By whose name would people be forgiven their sins? (Matt. 26:28; Acts 2:38; Eph. 1:7)
In whose name would people be judged? (John 5:27)
By whose name would people be resurrected (John 5:28)
In whose name would people be baptized? (Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16)
In whose name were people to put faith? (John 2:23)
In whose name was Saul/Paul commissioned to preach? (Acts 9:14-16)
For whose name would Christians be reproached? (1 Peter 4:14)
In whose name were Christians to gather together? (Matt. 18:20)
For whose name would Christians make sacrifices? (Matt. 19:29)
For whose name would Christians be persecuted and killed? (Luke 21:12,16,17)
In whose name will every knee in heaven and on earth bend? (Philippians 2:10)
In whose name would people be declared righteous? (1 Cor. 6:11)
By means of whose name would Christians offer a sacrifice of praise? (Hebrews 13:15)
Whose name was to be used as the basis for teaching? (Acts 4:17,18)
Christ's name was to be the focus for Christians, not Jehovah - according to the Bible!
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The ORG'S "foundation" name............
by BoogerMan in.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".
the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".
jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".
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Acts 15.13: After they finished speaking, James replied: “Men, brothers, hear me. Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his (Jesus or Jehovah?) name.
That "people" was named Christians, not JW's.
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The ORG'S "foundation" name............
by BoogerMan in.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".
the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".
jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".
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.........Jehovah.
The Bible's foundation name - (1 Corinthians 3:11) "For no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
The ORG's chosen name for Christians - "Jehovah's Witnesses."
Jehovah's chosen name for Christians - Acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called Christians."
(Mark 7:7, 8) "...they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ (no beards/yes beards) You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.”