i know that many of you have read coc.. was you mind made up about leaving the org.
before or after you read it?
While COC made me think a lot more that I wasn't in the "truth", it was ISOCF that put the final nail on the WTS coffin for me.
I'm very very greatfull to Ray Franz for having the courage (and for actually taking the time) to write both those books.
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
Duns, you must agree that "evidence" will be hard to produce when the victims are intimidated into silence, to "keep the organization clean in the mind of the world", don't you think?
When victims are made to feel guilty if they were to go to the police, how much hard evidence will there be? Still, the truth will come out, one way or the other.
While I was a "faithfull" JW, I would have never even imagined that there were ANY pedophiles in the organization (even though I knew of one such case, and kept thinking that it was just one isolated case).
The Dateline program will be interesting to see, for sure.
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
i'll be back later to take care of brother larc and others.
for now, i want to share a brief quote taken from albert einstein.
if the doctor fouls up the quote, he takes full responsibility for any legal ramifications that may append thereto.
Yes, according to the simplistic minds of the WTS, everything is simple, black and white, no in betweens.
Seems like you're running when the going gets tough, while still trying to threaten by saying "i'll be back to take care of brother larc and others."
From the other thread, you haven't answered my question...where do we go to get the mind and mental disposition of Christ?
Peter STride
Toronto, CAnada
i see that a number of jw defenders feel that ex-jws are 'picking' on the watch tower society, and still do not get the clue.
these defenders seem to think that we are silent about other religions, and that we are just embellishing this issue because we have an ulterior motive to engage in a hate campaign.. let's look at a little history.
the watch tower religion has through its history, especially from j. f. rutherford's time, engaged in the most horrid bashing of all religions, especially the catholic church and protestant denominations.
Quit callling it a religion.
Let's call a spade a spade here.
It's a CULT, clear and simple! All cults should be exposed for what they trully are!
Peter STride
Toronto, Canada
please tell me i made the right decision.
last night the co and another elder showed up at our house just 5 minutes after my husband got home from work (i think they were sitting on the side of the road just waiting for him to come home)*stalkers*, anyway to make along story short, the pressure was on.
i felt like they were there to get us to da ourselves.
(((((((((( Sarah & husband )))))))))))
When I finally realized that the WTS was not the one true religion, and that I didn't need to follow man made laws anymore (reading both of Ray Franz's books really helped me here), I felt the biggest weight that you can imagine being lifted off my shoulders, and off my chest. I could breathe again!
And like LovesDubs already said, " At least now you can get up on Saturdays and Sundays and enjoy your family, the outdoors, go shopping, have that cup of coffee and read the paper with your cat on your lap with no GUILT about having to meet somebody elses expectations about what you should or shouldnt be doing."
Hey...today is Saturday! Enjoy your coffee! And stay around this web-site...you'll keep receiving support from most of us! :D
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
PS. Be proactive. Take the articles from the society that say that disfellowshipping or DAing DO NOT sever family ties, and show them to your family! Do it right away.
poor wt after spending all that money on the pedophile's defense.
man convicted of sexual assault without church testimony.
associated press newswires .
Well said OutNfree!
Peter STride
Toronto, Canada
please tell me i made the right decision.
last night the co and another elder showed up at our house just 5 minutes after my husband got home from work (i think they were sitting on the side of the road just waiting for him to come home)*stalkers*, anyway to make along story short, the pressure was on.
i felt like they were there to get us to da ourselves.
And to think that officially at least, the WTS says that DFing does NOT sever family ties....all a bunch of PR bull for the media.
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
not sure if this has been highlighted on the board, but in the august km there's an interesting paragraph in the front page article "you are a theatrical spectacle":.
sometimes the media publish reports about the activities of jehovah's people.
while we appreciate good reports that are factual and fair in dealing with our work, we also expect bad reports to be spread by our detractors from time to time.
It certainly looks like a pre-emptive strike by the WTS to do damage control...and after the Dateline program airs, the "faithfull" dubs will feel like they are persecuted (and of course, that will make them feel closer to each other), and that the mother organization was right in warning them about it.
Just makes me sick how brainwashed they all are!
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
could anyone remind me where i can get old watchtowers online?
it was on the board recently, but i lost the link.
i'm trying to research the shunning policy.. thanks.
Hi again Philo,
If there's no other way to save all the articles in one tidy file, I have a suggestion. If you have ICQ and high speed internet access, I'll transfer a copy of the file (about 72MBs) over to you. Once you have it, you'll be able to open it with Internet Explorer AND read all the articles in the links!
Same goes for you jst2laws, in case the links come down (the other two links on that site are already down...darn it).
Let me know,
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
could anyone remind me where i can get old watchtowers online?
it was on the board recently, but i lost the link.
i'm trying to research the shunning policy.. thanks.
Hey Philo,
I fired up my virtual PC emulator on my Mac running Windows 95 with the latest Internet Explorer for PC, version 5.5...and unfortunately, while it allows you to save the web-page that you're on, it won't let you save any of the links. Meaning, you'd have to save every article manually. :-(
Of course, there is a bright side to this....get a Mac! The cheapest iMacs cost under $1000US, they sport Power PC G3 600Mhz processors (equivalent to around a 2Ghz Pentium 4 in speed), have a built in monitor, and you'll be able to save entire web-sites (and burn them to CD with the built in CD-RW) for future reference. :-)
On the other hand, maybe there's a different way to save web-sites (and to be able to set the level of deepness that you want to save) on PCs with another program. If anyone knows, speak up!
Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
