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Suprised to learn that they both played the VIOLA. I'd have thougt more the banjo.
petespal2002
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Fred Franz....List the 'crimes'!
by petespal2002 inafter reading all your interesting thoughts on my other posting regarding fw, i would be fascinated to learn what you all regard to be among his worst 'crimes'.
would it be the 'refinements' on blood, a debate which goes on to the present, his views on transplants, or would you debate the true scholorship of his greek translations?
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Dead ringers.
by petespal2002 inhave you noticed how milton henschel is a dead ringer for captain picard?
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petespal2002
Have you noticed how Milton Henschel is a dead ringer for Captain Picard?
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Fred Franz....List the 'crimes'!
by petespal2002 inafter reading all your interesting thoughts on my other posting regarding fw, i would be fascinated to learn what you all regard to be among his worst 'crimes'.
would it be the 'refinements' on blood, a debate which goes on to the present, his views on transplants, or would you debate the true scholorship of his greek translations?
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petespal2002
After reading all your interesting thoughts on my other posting regarding FW, I would be fascinated to learn what you all regard to be among his worst 'crimes'. Would it be the 'refinements' on blood, a debate which goes on to the present, his views on transplants, or would you debate the true scholorship of his greek translations?
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Fred Franz and high IQ
by petespal2002 ini recall reading somewhere that in his lifetime fred franz was listed as one of the most intelligent men in the usa.
can anyone think to what i am referring?
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petespal2002
After reading these replies with interest I begin to wonder a little if some of the comments are based less on fact and more on personal feeling, which indeed runs high where FW is involved? As the titular head of a worldwide organization for so long, I feel he must have had some qualities worth respecting, at least his positive attitude towards his blindness, which would make many bitter. I loved the comments about people with higher than average intelligence being next to useless in real life. I've always felt the higher the IQ the lower the common sense. I am interested in what you all feel were his worst 'crimes', and have started a thread to that end.
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Fred Franz and high IQ
by petespal2002 ini recall reading somewhere that in his lifetime fred franz was listed as one of the most intelligent men in the usa.
can anyone think to what i am referring?
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petespal2002
I recall reading somewhere that in his lifetime Fred Franz was listed as one of the most intelligent men in the USA. Can anyone think to what I am referring?
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IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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petespal2002
Academic types can have a mentality that flourishes in organizational surroundings, as they probably spent a good proportion of their lives, into their 30's, in the 'halls of acadaemia' and to be cut loose and thrown into the world to get a 'proper' job can be unnerving at best, devestating at worst.The JW's promote an environment of study, whether you agree with it or not, and this can prove a blessing for those released from fromal education who thrive on studying. Whether they undertake a 'Beorean' study or not is for each individual to decide.
I have found the discussions on IQ testing and SLD fascinating as I am a research fellow in the field of music education with a specific interest in SLD. Personally I give little credence to standardised testing. If anyone is interested to learn more please leave a message in my in-box and I will respond privately. I am currently studying subjects with Aspergers syndrome.
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"...maybe I shouldn't have left"
by GirlOnFence inafter leaving the org... and confronting problems (in the real world), did you ever feel like... maybe this is a sign i shouldn't have left?.
i felt like this a couple weeks ago after finding out the guy i lost my virginity to (an other ex-dub), had a girlfriend the whole time we were together.
the thought of the org.
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petespal2002
Men tend to only think with their penis, and it's amazing how convincing it sounds when you are feeling vulnerable. (I am female, by the way.) You mentioned you might not have been as reliant on him had your other 'friends' not rejected you. I know that feeling. I wonder, after reading some of these replies however, if leaving needs to be the nightmare it is made out. Exit counselleing hit me as reverse brainwashing. If you know it to be a false religion, then have no guilt in leaving, because the Bible tells us to leave such organisations that dishonour God. If you don't believe in God anymore, then you have nothing to worry about. If part of you thinks it's still the "truth" would it hurt really to sit on the fence for a little while longer, hedging your bets so to speak, until you can make an informed decision on way or the other. I bet I'll get blasted for saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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personal poll-serious responses please!
by Ravyn2 ini have to go to alt sign on name....but this is important(to me anyway):.
what do you want to see as the future of mankind in your lifetime?.
tolerance?
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petespal2002
If we don't get wiped out in some pointless war, we'll die of some plague, such as Sars. We'll try to find happiness for ourselves, maybe marry the love of our life, who may die before us, leaving us alone and miserable again. We may work in our dream job, having a vocation, from which we eventually have to retire, or be made redundant. We may amass money, but at the end of our life relatives we don't like too much will fight over it. It strikes me that in many ways it's better living with the notion that the end is near, as life pretty much sucks without it.
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I saw a JW Elder at X-Men 2 Movie this weekend!!
by WingCommander ini nearly fell off my seat.
this 30ish jw elder came strolling in the movie theater with his wife and a huge tub of pop corn in his arm to watch x-men 2: xmen united.
i couldn't believe the hypocrasy.........they teach not to even watch much tv, much less go to a movie.
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petespal2002
"Elders will go to hell"
Are we now to assume there is such a place?
I was raised as a witness with strict parental rules, but we always watched tv and going to the movies was a treat at school holidays. Show me in a WT where dubs SHOULD NOT attend movies.
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Celebrating Mother's And Father's Day Is Unscriptural! You Gotta READ This!
by minimus inthe may 8, 1956 awake had the article entitled,"mother and father worship unscriptural".
it states:"nowhere in the bible do we find that parents are to be worshipped, or that there should be a father's day and a mother's day kept in their honor.
worship belongs exclusively to jehovah god, as he himself says:' i jehovah your god am a god exacting exclusive devotion'.
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petespal2002
Of course one does not need a specific day to thank your parents for being wonderful. My personal view, unaffected by any doctrine, is that I've seen too many people send cards on 'special' days out of a sense of perfunctory duty when they often don't give a toss the rest of the time, so say how you feel whenever you feel like it, but if you require a set date to focus your mind, so be it.