Posts by deegee

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In need of your advice. November broadcasting 2017

by pleaseresearch in

so my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.

i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..

deegee

Check these out. Hope you'll find something in there that helps.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K1T7porEjmQ

http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2012/12/the-use-and-abuse-of-scholarship-by.html?m=1

http://www.jwchanges.com/how-to-use/

https://jwawaken.com/2016/06/08/what-is-quote-mining/

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/watchtower-again-misquotes-scientist-to-argue-against-evolution-and-this-time-its-personal

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

https://www.inquisitr.com/1766536/biology-professor-creationist-magazine/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/20/controversial-quotation-quietly-removed-from-jehovahs-witnesses-publication-without-apology-or-retraction/

(The magazines with the biology professor's misquote:

http://avoidjw.org/magazines/)

http://avoidjw.org/en/truth-or-lies/quote-misquote/

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/37mbl4/by_evolution_we_mean_macroevolutionapes_turning/

https://m.imgur.com/YvbzwUy

http://home.comcast.net/~docbob1/misquotes.htm

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/showthread.php?tid=2357

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-watchtower-distorts-writings-of_15.html

http://ebedabodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/out-of-context.html

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/misquotations-in-creation-book.html

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https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5667328335282176/words-omitted-from-watchtower-article :

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/469880003/scholastic-dishonesty-watchtower

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/302230001/am-looking-audios-julius-mantey

Julius Mantey, Greek Hebrew scholar quoted as supporting the New World Translation (NWT). He is a firm Trinitarian and was outraged when he found out.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/224416/june-2012-citation-ephraim-stern

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/214069/something-watchtower-left-out

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/205034/citation-1-soncino-commentary-on-ezekiel

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/189202/examples-wts-mishandling-medical-authorities-on-blood

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_IYc8fiKKY

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Understanding Armageddon

by Jayk in

so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

deegee

If the world is going to end it won't be by means of divine intervention it will be man's doing. The deadline for the world to end by means of divine intervention has long passed (it was supposed to have ended during Jesus' generation).

World events have no Biblical significance. If every generation that comes along can read Biblical significance into world events then that tells you that Bible prophecies are VAGUE & AMBIGUOUS. The hallmark of a true prophecy is that it must be specific to the point where it can have only ONE fulfillment not many possible fulfillments in every generation.

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Understanding Armageddon

by Jayk in

so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

deegee

Armageddon could have been avoided:

Since it's all about killing humans, if God could almost wipe out everyone human being during the Flood & plans on destroying humans again at Armageddon then why not just destroy Adam & Eve before they had any children and start over again, and keep starting over if necessary, until he got the perfect couple, since it's all about killing humans?

There would be less collateral damage. All of the human suffering, all of the wars and diseases could have been avoided etc etc

But I guess God can only be satisfied if there's some drama.

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Understanding Armageddon

by Jayk in

so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

deegee

@ a watcher

If the Bible is to be believed, where in the Bible does it state that:

The government ban on Christians will happen before Armageddon ?

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JW.ORG turning into an evangelical clone

by Pistoff in

i clicked this link to the november 2017 tvjw video, in it they defend their 2 witness policy, though, gutlessly, they do not mention it in the context of child sexual abuse.. anyway, check out the christian jehovian song at 57:06, ugh, makes me nauseous.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksz0qiftsok&feature=youtu.be&t=53m25s.

deegee

When we take time to reflect on the beauties of creation, it becomes clear that there is a higher intelligence who made all these things. ------@ 1:01:17 to 1:01:28

So then, what do the following examples tell us about God?

- A hoard of locusts which strips the foliage bare and destroys all of someone's crops?

- Animals who engage in necrophilia, murder, cannibalism and a myriad of other horrific acts.

- Creatures like the desert wasp that survive only by laying their eggs inside another creature so that their young are hatched inside the living body of this creature and eat it alive from the inside out?

- Male sea otters are known to hold otter pups hostage until they are paid a ransom of food by the mother. They are also known to commonly rape baby seals to death, holding their heads underwater. This activity also happens to kill around one tenth of the female otters that they mate with. Even after the seal pup is dead it is not uncommon for otters to continue raping its decaying corpse for up to a week later.

- Dolphins are some of the most intelligent creatures in the animal kingdom. Their cute looks betray their rapey, murderous nature. Bottle nose dolphins are known to assault porpoises for no reason leaving them for dead. Porpoises do not pose any threat to dolphins and they do not compete for food or territory so this activity is undertaken for nefarious purposes.

Dolphins frequently kill baby dolphins in order to provoke the mother back into oestrus, a practice which is more common in the animal kingdom than you might think. Male dolphins gang up and then isolate a female, taking turns raping her. If there are no females around, another male becomes the victim.

- Reports from Antarctic expeditions in the early 20th century on the sexual behaviours of penguins were deemed too extreme for publication. When the information was finally released it showed that penguins frequently engage in necrophilia, sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks as well as homosexual and auto-erotic behaviour.

- Margays are South American ocelots. They mimic the sound of baby monkeys in distress, in order to lure adult monkeys into their clutches.

- Not to forget our closest cousins, the chimpanzees. Infanticide is commonplace amongst their number. Male chimps who want to drive a female into oestrus will kill her baby and then dismember and eat it in front of her. Female chimps have been observed doing the exact same thing to other females, although their motives are unclear.

- A tsunami that rips through a town killing thousands of people?

- Not to mention earthquakes or volcanic eruptions with a resultant death toll?

- When your body allows a cancer to grow which destroys all of your internal organs?

- Our biology can host some 30,000 known diseases, and that’s just the known ones?

- A child born with a mental or physical disorder?

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Hoping I can stay

by allyson in

i started studying with witnesses about 21 months ago.

started going to meetings in march 2017, went to the memorial and attended my first convention.

i love it.

deegee

Do not be fooled by the love-bombing that is just to draw you in.

If you enter into any relationships as a trans person you will be accused of sexual immorality and homosexuality.

The JW view of homosexuality:

LEVITICUS 18:22, 29:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

For whoever commits any of these abominations shall be cut off from their people."

LEVITICUS 20:13:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them."

REVELATION 22:15:

15 Outside are fthe dogs gandsorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10:

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

GALATIANS 5:19-21:

19 Now the works of the flesh

are evident: sexual immorality, impurity,sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery,enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger,rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies,

and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not

inherit the kingdom of God.

EPHESIANS 5:5:

5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral orimpure, or who is covetous (that is,an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Also,

DEUTERONOMY 22:5:

A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

DEUTERONOMY 23:1

No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.

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If being a part of a religion is important to you, it's best that you find a religion that is welcoming of trans people.

Kind regards.

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Is it better to have a false hope than have no hope?

by sinboi in

just got the news.

a very close classmate of mine met an accident and died last nite.... just 4 months after i da'd from the borg.. if i am still in, i wouldn't be so sad.

he has the hope of resurrection.. but now that i am out, i realise that resurrection in paradise is all bullshit.. so what's next?

deegee

It seems religion provides the best comfort for some when dealing with death, especially untimely death. The thought of seeing a loved one again is what has enticed some into becoming JWs. I know of two such cases. In one of the cases it was obvious that it was this "hope" that prevented the person from going insane - she was very "spaced out", lost touch with reality after the unexpected death of all of her children in a crash.

On the other hand, there are persons like my late father who saw death as something that happens when "your number has been called" and that's the end of you.

My father learnt very early in life that death was a part of this life and that it is something to be expected and accepted (he was nevertheless adversely affected by the loss of his mother who died during childbirth).

It has been observed that persons who experience the loss of a loved one early in life are less likely to be religious (for obvious reasons), this was true of my father. My father saw life as something to be lived until the day "your number is called" and that's the end of you.

It seems some people can confront mortality more easily than others?

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I would like to thank the Lord I am OK

by Sour Grapes in

i saw this on facebook: "i would like to thank the lord i am ok. had a serious fall yesterday from my garage landing to the cement floor and landed on my back.

i suffered a closed head wound, severe cervical sprain, 2 broken ribs and multiple contusions on hand and arm and shoulder.

could have been a lot worse.".

deegee

God may exist but is he involved in people's lives and the day to day affairs of humans?

We have all been indoctrinated from early childhood (both JWs & non-JWs) that God is involved in people's lives and day to day affairs of humans and that if it's not God then it's the demons.

However, some of us as we grow older and have observed and experienced life have come to the realization that we were lied to - God (if he exists) is NOT involved in people's lives and day to day affairs of humans.

Once you discover that you were lied to, should you speak out there are those who will accuse you of being mad at, angry with God and bitter.

It frightens people like the person in the OP to acknowledge that God (if he exists) is not involved in people's lives, we are alone. The evidence speaks for itself.

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Help please

by Akid48 in

one of my posts keep re posting when i haven't tryed to post it again.. like a week ago i tried to post i was suck in a loop i tryed three times and it has posted 5 times..

deegee

The Holy Spirit tried messing with me too.

The process seems to stall in a loop saying "submitting post", but doesn't progress.

This happened to me as well. But I thought the problem was with the browser so I closed the browser but when I returned to the site I noted that my topic was posted.

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I'm so confused, help?

by Ponyo in

i want to share my story.

(might be a tad long).

i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.

deegee

Ponyo: Psych tomorrow. Cannot wait

It seems to be more effective if you are able to find a therapist who is aware of JW issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoWDxhLHzoM&index=15&list=PLkzrUMKiXNLIpjobJEZuSlaWIX5R6g1JW