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  Any JW's take issue with R. Franz' writings?

  by TR in

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  just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.

  let's talk.. tr.

  edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42

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  For the most part, Franz is not critical of the individuals who make up the WTS leadership. He talks about their kind, considerate characters an so on. But his criticisms only start to bite where those men act as part of the organisation. So for instance, Albert Schroeder comes off symapthetically in personal exchanges, but in his actions as the head of the Chairman's committee he is shown up as a scoundrel. This is how Franz criticises the organisation. He examines his own heart, too, and motivations and those that have been imposed by the organisation.

  He also traces the WT traditions, which account for so much of the organisation, back to the Russell and Rutterhoof time.

  philo (elaboration type)
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Iarc,

  Are you saying Knorr was president when the policy started, or do you mean it was his idea. As I undersdtand from a number of sources, Franz was Knorr's oracle. And Knorr focussed on organisation over doctrine, while Franz did the bookwork.

  It doesn't get us much closer to who dreamed up the idea though. I wonder how many abstained or voted against on the committee when it first came up.

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  If the society says "JUMP" do you ASK...

  by nicolaou in

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  not every jw is thick.

  in fact i'd say that most of them are just misguided.. still, i was wondering how many types of jw we could define according to their response to a simple, direct instruction from the society.. let's say this fictional directive from the gb is: "jump"!.

  what responses would various jw's give?.

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  "Jump!"

  Spiritually weak JW: "But I have a wife, and an ox."

  Elder JW: "I'll get the brothers right on it"

  Sister JW: "Who are you calling fat?"

  Independent thinker JW: ""
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Who said "In historical terms, Joseph Franklin Rutherford was a purely evil man"? I forget.

  I was wondering who was manning the downlink from heaven when this policy came through. Was it Franz or Rutter?

  philo
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  So Who Wants To Be Married To A Doormat?

  by Englishman in

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  in her book the surrendered wife, california housewife laura doyle advises married women to submit to their husbands in all circumstances.

  she says that the man should take absolute control in every imaginable situation, and that the woman should be passive, always giving way to her husband.

  she should give her husband all of her salary, and if she gets a little bit back to spend, well, she should be very grateful to her lord and master for his kindness.. over on h20, pro-witness poster flair claims that women need discipline just like children do.

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  Englishman

  I admire Mrs Doyle for finding such a controversy to write about. She's like an OT prophet looking for something to declaim about which will really P155 everyone off, or at least the women.

  philo
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  Any JW's take issue with R. Franz' writings?

  by TR in

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  just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.

  let's talk.. tr.

  edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42

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  Despite what everyone says, I found the book entirely supportive of the dub leadership. I can't see what the fuss is about!

  philo (is that one up on Java, or one down?)
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Sassenach

  Thanks for your viewpoints. No wasn't concerned about the figures, just surprised is all. The JW line (and mine) was always that "hardly ever does someone die through the policy and if they do, its there are probably other factors to balme too".

  I am currently looking for some studies on mortality rates. I'll post em up when/if they come through.

  philo
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

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  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  Hello Friend

  If you read Focus' post, I imagine you would have no problem reading Crisi of Conscience by Franz. In it he shows clearly the extent of influence the WT leadership and their policies have over the everyday lives of brothers and sisters. Have you read it. If so, how do you deny the picture he gives?

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  "Those who are about to die..." disf...

  by MacHislopp in

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  iam sure you wonder what is this.

  about...well take a quick look.

  at this link!.

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  Mac
  Das link macht nicht. Es ist kaputt. Its gone to meet its maker.

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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Xandit

  ::wilful liar

  Can't you just behave yourself. Finding myself reading such stuff, I am insulted, even though I am not being addressed! If you care to document alleged lies then that's fair enough. Otherwise you should button it.

  I have read all Focus' recent posts. And although I don't want to get into that debate, I have not even a remote impression of Focus telling lies there(wilful or otherwise). Nor do I feel the issue of misrepresentation comes up on either side of the debate.

  Focus is getting at what many see as the irresponsibility of the organisation on a telling issue, child abuse. There are strong feelings on this issue, so there should be. If the organisation is being irresponsible wouldn't you want that out in the open? I think the time has come for the WT to defend itself against these charges openly, not quietly via secret memoranda.

  If Focus' style gets under your skin, count to ten and think of the issue here.

  philo