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  A bedtime story for your children

  by philo in

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  pooh and piglet go preaching in the hundred-acre wood.. pooh and piglet were doing return-visits in the hundred-acre wood and wondering about things generally, especially pooh, who had forgotten his bible.. "i think i should try some more anointing, piglet," he said uncertainly.

  everyone in the wood seemed to be not-at-home, and he was becoming a little low.. "yes please, pooh, please do," said piglet jumping up and down, "an oinking is always fun.

  could i be the oin king for a change?".

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  Logical,

  >> I'm not the Evil Slav

  Contrariwise, you ARE the Evil Slav. If it was not so, it mightn't be; and if it were not so, it wouldn't be: but as it IS so, it IS. That's LOGIC.
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  A bedtime story for your children

  by philo in

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  pooh and piglet go preaching in the hundred-acre wood.. pooh and piglet were doing return-visits in the hundred-acre wood and wondering about things generally, especially pooh, who had forgotten his bible.. "i think i should try some more anointing, piglet," he said uncertainly.

  everyone in the wood seemed to be not-at-home, and he was becoming a little low.. "yes please, pooh, please do," said piglet jumping up and down, "an oinking is always fun.

  could i be the oin king for a change?".

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  philo

  Pooh and Piglet go preaching in the hundred-acre wood.

  Pooh and Piglet were doing return-visits in the hundred-acre wood and wondering about things generally, especially Pooh, who had forgotten his bible.

  "I think I should try some more anointing, Piglet," he said uncertainly. Everyone in the wood seemed to be not-at-home, and he was becoming a little low.
  "Yes please, Pooh, please do," said Piglet jumping up and down, "an oinking is always fun. Could I be the Oin King for a change?"

  "It's anoin-T-ing", said Pooh properly, "and piglets can't get anointed, they're only allowed to watch, and fetch things when they're asked"

  "Well I wish there could be an..an..anathingy - for piglets too. I'll try to remember to ask Christopher Robin to remember about the…whatever it is I wanted to ask him to remember about…"

  Piglet was carrying on like this while Pooh had some much-needed thinking time. After a bit he said, "But being God's Anointed anointer isn't all fun, you know, Piglet", said Pooh.

  "Oh?" said Piglet.

  "Well, I was hoping things would, sort of, happen when I said they should happen", said Pooh.

  "Well?" said Piglet, looking about for something that might be about to happen.

  But, what does happen is always something quite different. And everything I say should happen, seems to go out of its way not to happen. Sometimes things don't happen in a very large way"

  "Ahha!" said Piglet, pacing this way and that, "is this a problem with the happen bits, or with the should bits? We should ask Chri…"

  Then there was a shakey feeling in their feet, followed by a bouncy sound in their ears, followed by a tumbling-brambly-stinging-nettle feeling…bounce, bounce, bounce…it was Tigger!

  "How many doors? Bounce. How many tracts? Bounce - bounce. Did the Hephalump want a bible study? Jesus…Jesus…Jesus. That's my favourite bouncing word at the moment, do you like it? I've been bouncing to that word all morning…Jesus…Jesus…Jesus…and its got quite a kick to it. Soo-woooh-woooh that was close…how many blessings, have you had?"

  Pooh and Piglet started to pick themselves up. "Well" said Piglet brushing off leaves and twigs, "There's no doors to call on in this wood except Owl's, and he is a Do-Not-Call"

  "And we haven't found the Hefalump yet," added Pooh, "so we'll just keep walking round the wood until lunchtime"

  "Is that a lunchtime prediction, Pooh?…Jesus…Jesus…or is that a might-not-happening?" said Tigger bouncing off
  "Well I'm not exactly sure, I think I'll have wait and see," said Pooh to nobody in particular, as Tigger disappeared over a hedge, "predictions are tricky customers, even for anointed people"

  "But when you said that Eeor was the Evil Slav…" said piglet helpfully

  "Yes?"

  "…and, well…now he IS the Evil Slav. So that's alright." Piglet followed this with a little jig on the spot, singing, "Evil Slav, Evil Slav, peck out his eyes, peck out his eyes". On the whole, Piglet was being quite encouraging, and Pooh was starting to feel much better.

  "Perhaps I should stop a-nointing here and there, and start lots-of-nointing"

  "What's lots-of-nointing" replied Piglet.

  "It's like a-nointing, but you do lots and lots of it. You do so much 'nointing, that people can't keep up with you, and they don't notice that the happenings haven't quite happened. So people will just shrug and say, bless me Pooh is really 'nointing along nicely, isn't he?
  
  They walked some more around the wood, and Pooh started a new humm which suited his wonderings. It went like this:

  A generation comes (tiddley pom)
  And another one goes (tiddley pom)
  The more my nose (tiddley pom) - is growing

  For nobody knows (tiddley pom)
  That whatever wind blows (tiddley pom)
  Will probably go (tiddley pom) - on blowing

  Piglet liked the humm so much, he started squeaking little joining-in squeaks and hopping about, and things were falling out of his book bag. "Look Pooh, I'm placing magazines!" he said pointing at the ground.

  "I suppose that means we can count our time", said Pooh when he'd finished the humm. But with a serious face, he said, "You know what Piglet…?"

  "Umm - no," Piglet didn't know.

  " …I'm getting a certain type of rumbling in my tummy, I think we should go and have some lunch." So that is what they did.

  THE END
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  607-1914 being phased out?

  by Moxy in

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  years ago, when i first figured out the problems with the 607 chronology, i began to think that the society was mentioning the 7 times link to 1914 less and less in recent pubs.

  after all, the knowledge book gave it less space than the live forever book, and the fluffy require brochure doesnt mention it all.

  could it be, i wondered, that they are gradually phasing this teaching out?

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  Moxy

  Nice post.

  I wonder when/if 1914 IS phased out, when that will happen. I guess you could project that time from your graph!

  I think there would have to be "astounding" phrophetic displacement, to fill the missing 1914.

  Here's something from last year on the subject of the chronology shift.

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  Henry Grew … tired of Chronology

  An article from WT October 15th 2000 is about an “old faithful” immigrant, Henry Grew. He has been resurrected into that illustrious Pre-Watchtowerian hall of fame. “Resurrected”, because until now there have been just two cursory references to this man in WTBTS literature. It may seem significant that both these references are from the recent official WT history book, “Proclaimers”. (At least back to 1950).

  Grew has been pictured in a box on page 26. His stoutly bust is framed in a cameo, like a beloved uncle who left you his money. This is how George Storrs and CT Russell are depicted on pages 28 and 29 of the same article. The context of WT heritage is graphically clear, and requires no reading between the lines.

  Most people know that Storrs and Russell were full-on Chronologists, in fact they were …ologists of just about every kind, such was their versatility, but that’s another story. Henry Grew, however, as we are told on page 28, consistently rejected all Chronological speculations after the famous William Miller predictions failed in 1844.

  Now all faithful students of the Watchtower like me are behoooved to chew on this. So what does it mean? Or, why has the WTBTS given Henry Grew a full page of text, (plus a picture and summary box), and linked him so intimately with Storrs and Russell, and why now?

  I would be interested to read what WT historians may make of this development, but until one does I think the obvious conclusion must be a chronological one. The WTBTS here and now wants to steer away from Chronology, and fairly briskly too. Its one thing to stop the chronologising itch (although I hear the first few weeks are the hardest) and drift away from it. But this isn’t drifting at all. Here we have an exalted, enlightened forerunner of our great and holy organisation who rejected chronological speculation.

  Perhaps to be honest, perhaps to minimise criticism from the present faithful generation, or else to allow for future historical revisions, the article adds that he “did not object if others wanted to investigate Chronology” [p28]

  If the WTBTS ARE moving none-too-quietly away from chronology as a whole, this would appear to confirm suggestions made H2O posters such as (MDS) that the org is preparing for BIG changes in doctrine.

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  God's Hero

  by Norm in

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  those who are believers and worry about meeting gods standard for moral, ethics and general behavior seem to have very little to worry about.

  at least if we are to take the bible serious.

  take the example of the well know hero and judge, samson.

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  I brought Sampson up when the Mormons came around last time. They said that Holy Spirit is not a moral force. That's how they get around Sampson's atrocities. They also think that holy spirit reveals truth to, say, scientists researching nuclear weapons etc.

  Curious.

  philo
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  Assembly season: joy of joys!

  by philo in

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  this one is about 'contentedly' making myself attend an assembly.

  it's a joyous and above all happifying poem.. .

  this is my prisoner.

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  philo

  This one is about 'contentedly' making myself attend an assembly. It's a joyous and above all happifying poem.

  This is my prisoner
  His miserable servility is an imperial victory
  Of prophecy over humanity and a tragic godless history

  I read his other-racial features
  Its hidden agonies and grubby captive gratitude
  But we are different, as I am ordained his superior

  I push this creature on
  In to the pleasant furnace of droning lobby hubbub
  To complicit admiration from some casual observers
  
  The PA scuffs and stutters about eating-time and seating
  But the call goes unheeded like any other failed climax
  In a marriage of consumers

  Vacant washroom music
  Its pine-scented morality automatically engages
  Evoking easy semi-detached, yet colonial orderliness

  First names bounce about, off beaming fronts
  Ties help, without helping, the heels and tights that chat
  And gather their young

  Past a cloud of youths, pulsating with suppressed eruptions
  Their bi-tonal calls compete in normalcy and righteousness,
  And indivisible dualities

  I march this besuited body
  Towards a pre-assigned post, to become a human shield
  Against the pitiless barrages of perfunctory, hapless ideology

  But he flags among the names
  So forcing our route with Paul's stoic resolve
  I lead my now-smiling captive, though I am losing the way

  Thickets of dressed limbs and gray-cased automata
  These un-lost cramp my movement, and pausing to breathe
  I find I am lost and purposeless

  In an instant of spirit and flesh, we have become one man
  I pant, war-worn, while he drinks plastic, placid sentiment
  We are victors and victims.

  Turning, I see him easy-bantering with well-meaning indifference
  Among the inessential classes, my grinning captor advances
  And drives me grateful onward.

  Into a luscious meadow of oh-so-skeptical doubtfulness
  Sown with unreasoning grasses which 'can't all be wrong'
  And calms my spirit for the battle.

  philo
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  Smurfs

  by Kismet in

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  by now most of us have heard the urban legends of smurfs vs. jw's.. such as smurf dolls walking down kingdom hall aisles or strangling jw babies (replaced dingos eating them in australia lol).. the initial problem jw's had with smurfs was that on the tv show they were conjuring up spells, later more ummm "enlightened" jw viewers started questioning a community of all males with only one female (smurfette).. so jw's felt that it was not appropriate for jw children to watch shows about magic.. it is this same reasoning that has scared some away more recently rom harry potter novels and pokemon.. it was stupid when it involved smurfs and is just as stupid now.

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  but there ya have it, the main reasons (if you can call them that...) that jw's hate smurfs and developed such wild stories to enforce their opinion.. kismet

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  Thanks kismet,

  I like to keep up on the JW superstitions, epecially the ones I OUGHT to have known about when I was a good dub.

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  "Well Rounded JW Kids"

  by LDH in

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  well, my parents (from ny) came out to visit a couple of weeks ago, no notice or anything (they live 3,000 miles away) and knocked on my door on a friday evening.. as hubby was not home from work yet, and i was laying down from yet another migraine, i got extremely agitated when the doorbell rang.

  now, i don't open my door for anyone when i'm not feeling well.

  to make a long story short, it was my parents, who spent about 6 days.

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  I got bitten in my teens, so I've no story like yours to tell. But I hear ya Lisa, I REALLY hear ya.

  A side point. I found most of my new jW friends were more Wrounded than me, except in the ability to think things out from scratch, if you follow.

  philo
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  JW JOKES PLEASE ADD MORE!

  by natred in

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  jokeshow to get rid of a jehovah's witness... .

  when they ask, "can i talk to you about god?

  " reply, "sure, what would you like to know?

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  TR,

  I don't know anything about the Smurf doctrine. Please enlighten me.

  philo
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  which rules if dropped would affect the Jw most?

  by nojw86 in

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  the dropping of five weekly meetings to just one.

  no longer turning in field service slips.

  being able to smoke again if you did.

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  Dropping the rule which says, "we must all pretend to believe that Armageddon is coming, and soon" might change things.

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  Question about member numbers

  by betweenworlds in

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  i was wondering if anyone knew how the jehovah's witnesses stand as far as there numbers go in regards to other *newer* religions such as the mormons, the moonies, the adventists, scientologists, etc?.

  i was wondering because this is a point that jw's will use when pointing that they are gods people.

  (the fact that their numbers have climbed so quickly in a relatively short period of time, so they must have god's direction, blessing) of course i think this is hooey!

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  ::I was wondering because this is a point that JW's will use when pointing that they are Gods people

  I just want to point out this recent statement: "Jehovah is not impressed with figures"

  From Jan 1/2001 I think. A convenient new tack.

  philo