Blondie,
I look forward to reading some answers to your questions, this is very interesting. I thought DF policies were formalised and made stricter in the 1970s under Franz, but I may be wrong.
As for the 3rd level in JSc: ???
philo
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72Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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Mass 'coming out': Revealing Our Identities
by philo inon a the exmormon board i started a topic about fear of the organisation (link below).
'stumped' put up this idea.... in america, founded on freedom, folks are afraid to discuss their church.
it's loterally scary.. anybody wanna take a challenge tostate their name, address, phone number.
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I'm glad to hear it Norm, and little surprised. I've never even received a crank email.
Mac and Francoise, what about gays? They had to come out before their cultures began to accept them.
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Bonn/Kyoto: Bush's stance gets heckled
by philo inpaula dobriansky, the head of the us delegation, said to heckles from delegates for environmental groups: "the bush administration takes the issue of climate change very seriously and we will not abnegate our responsibility".
spoken like a true politician.
the story.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1452000/1452315.stmpa
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Hey Francoise! I just found something I did approve of: "grasping collectivist state". I live in Ireland at the moment, and here the grasping is all the more.
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Bonn/Kyoto: Bush's stance gets heckled
by philo inpaula dobriansky, the head of the us delegation, said to heckles from delegates for environmental groups: "the bush administration takes the issue of climate change very seriously and we will not abnegate our responsibility".
spoken like a true politician.
the story.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1452000/1452315.stmpa
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Francoise,
:if we're going to be called upon to: produce the bulk of the planet's trade goods; act as leader of the free world; function as the world's policemen; be the protector of western style democracy while you all follow the siren call of socialism; show ourselves the "shining city on a hill" for the downtrodden masses of humanity groaning under the burden of a grasping collectivist state, then damn right we'll up our production of so-called greenhouse gases.
So MUCH rubbish in so one sentence, guilded with such a conclusion.
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Congo gives Award to Watchtower and Awake!
by ozziepost inthe august 15 issue of the watchtower reports that the association of congolese and african journalists for the development in the democratic republic of congo has awarded a certificate of excellence to jehovah's witnesses in recognition of the watchtower and awake!
magazines.. it states that this was to "reward individuals or social organisations that distinguish themselves through their contribution toward the development in [the congo]".. oh dear!.
cheers,.
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Oh my, Oh my, I'm in tears.
Your profile pic, Ozzie, really set this off. Sort of "Hmmm, I wonder"
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Adam & Eve (a story full of questions)
by Big Jim inadam and eve.
most people are probably familiar with the story of adam and eve in the garden of eden.
also, most people consider it to be just a story.
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Joel bear,
Yes, the story does have some narrative power. I thought the same about clothes/leaves/skins.
Jim,
I was a JW from age 15-29, MS, pioneer for 4 years, Wcleaner, married, shunned, divorced. On the good side, I have a FOXY girlfriend now!YOu're right, all their answers to the A+E story are presumptions, not even scriptural, most of them.
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Another cult sexual abuse case
by philo intrial opens for.
ex-church leader excommunicated.
testimony wednesday.. she acknowledged that she didn't give explicit details.
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trial opens for
ex-church leader Excommunicated
Mormon denies abuseBy Holly Becka
Published 07-13-2000A 16-year-old girl testified Wednesday that a
Mormon church leader from her family's Duncanville
tabernacle repeatedly molested her when she was 10.The girl said the abuse stopped only after her brother
walked into the family's Cedar Hill living room in
August 1994 and found Gene A. Guinn assaulting
her as she sat on his lap.Mr. Guinn, now 68, is being tried on a count of
aggravated sexual assault of a child, a charge he
denies. The defense contends that the girl has given
varying accounts and that Mr. Guinn never went as
far as the girl alleges.Lead prosecutor Kristine Schwan told Dallas County
jurors that the girl's religious family initially trusted
their Duncanville church to handle the situation, but the
family eventually went to police because Mr. Guinn
continued associating with children despite church-
ordered counseling.Ms. Schwan told jurors that church leaders later
confronted Mr. Guinn, who she said admitted to
them and to two counselors that he had molested the
girl.The girl's brother testified that Duncanville church
officials asked his mother not to go to police.The trial brings comes after a protracted
behind-the-scenes battle over local church records and
church leaders' testimony subpoenaed by the Dallas
County district attorney's office.In a hearing before testimony started, attorneys for the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints argued
unsuccessfully that records of talks between Mr.
Guinn and Duncanville church officials were
confidential and shouldn't become evidence. They said
the church officials had acted as Mr. Guinn's
spiritual advisers, making the communications
privileged.The church's attorneys also contended that internal
disciplinary actions taken by the Mormon church
against Mr. Guinn stemming from the girl's
allegations shouldn't become evidence. Mr. Guinn
was excommunicated, court documents show.Mr. Guinn's defense attorney, Tom Pappas, argued
that introducing the church records as evidence
violated Mr. Guinn's rights to privacy and religious
freedom.Visiting Judge Gary Stephens, who has been appointed
to preside over a criminal court that hears only
child-abuse cases, denied the church's objections,
ruling that the records could be introduced. He had
previously ordered the church to give the records to
prosecutors.During testimony, the victim said that she'd known Mr.
Guinn her entire life and considered him a
grandfather figure. Her mother had known him since
she was 18.The girl testified that Mr. Guinn would visit her
home and ask her to sit in his lap. She said she never
spoke out about Mr. Guinn fondling and assaulting
her."I didn't say anything because I didn't think anyone
would believe me," she said. "I was 10, and he was a
friend of my Mom's."Under cross-examination, the girl acknowledged that
some aspects and details of her testimony about the
assault to a grand jury in 1997 were different from her
testimony Wednesday.She acknowledged that she didn't give explicit details
of the assault to everyone who interviewed her,
including a police officer, but she insisted that her
testimony has always been consistent and truthful.The victim's 26-year-old brother testified that he
waited a few months after he interrupted the alleged
assault before talking to his sister and then telling his
mother."I kept it to myself because I knew this was a serious
accusation," the brother said. "I wanted to find a way
to approach this."He said his sister at first denied that she had been
assaulted, but then tearfully gave him generalities
about Mr. Guinn's actions. He and his mother told a
Duncanville church bishop about it in late 1994 and
waited for the church to get back to them, the brother
testified.The brother said he insisted on contacting police after
local church leaders failed to make the family aware
that they'd taken any action.Under cross-examination, he acknowledged that the
bishop had encouraged him to tell him what he'd seen
and that no one from the church asked him not to
contact authorities.Testimony is scheduled to resume Thursday morning.
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Adam & Eve (a story full of questions)
by Big Jim inadam and eve.
most people are probably familiar with the story of adam and eve in the garden of eden.
also, most people consider it to be just a story.
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Very funny Jim, especially I liked your take on the profound question of bollocks
::Perhaps they were some sort of alarm system, that lit up and made loud hooting noises if Adam strayed too close to a cliff edge or was about to eat something poisonous?
So many weird things and questions raised is a great way to start a book, its a shame answers the answers don't come up by the end of the bible.
Were you ever a JW? If so, you probably realise that some of your questions are covered (with a range of success) by their theology, for example, death. They say animals died before the fall, so Adam knew what death meant as he had seen it.
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1st door-to-door?
by Moxy inthe society tries very hard to present the idea that the door-to-door work was essentially the same in the 1st century as now.
the rendering of 'door to door' in ac5:42 creates that impression.
so do the talks that discuss the missionary efforts then in modern terms (eg "paul was making a return visit here on an interested one") philo's hospitality question earlier shows that we have all been a bit taken in by this.. wt covers like this (4/1/01) sure help too:.
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Great pictures Moxy,
I'm chuffed to say I got it first time - and I'm a natural blond!
philo
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Mass 'coming out': Revealing Our Identities
by philo inon a the exmormon board i started a topic about fear of the organisation (link below).
'stumped' put up this idea.... in america, founded on freedom, folks are afraid to discuss their church.
it's loterally scary.. anybody wanna take a challenge tostate their name, address, phone number.
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