Bonn/Kyoto: Bush's stance gets heckled

by philo 53 Replies latest jw friends

  • philo
    philo

    Paula Dobriansky, the head of the US delegation, said to heckles from delegates for environmental groups: "The Bush administration takes the issue of climate change very seriously and we will not abnegate our responsibility".

    Spoken like a true politician

    The story...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1452000/1452315.stmPa

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Philo,

    I've just seen the hoo-hah on the 6pm news. It was expected that the Bush administration would toady to big business demands at the expense of the rest of the World.

    How that guy could, as a Governor, OK the death sentence for so many people was stunning enough. As president to abbregate responsibility for his nations producing 25% of the planets greenhouse gases is breathtaking in its irresponsibility.

    I'm sure that this dope is a 4 year president, hope you Americans have got broad shoulders!

    Englishman.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think Bush thought that the agreement would be abondoned if he pulled out but now I *hope* it embarasses him into taking some action. The US should be ashamed that they are THE country at the back of the queue on this one instead of being a 'world leader'.

  • philo
    philo

    Englishman, I agree. It's a shame Bush can't be shuffled aside in the Phillipino way. But when you consider how George got to the white house, the only way he'll leave early will be in a presidential bodybag.

    Well I can dream can't I?

    philo

  • philo
    philo

    Someone at the conference said afterwards, how could the treaty be "fatally flawed" when almost every country in the entire world has now ratified it.

    What a dork Bush is!

    philo

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster

    Still leader of the free world.

    Stick that in your tea and drink it.

    Slipnslidemaster: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. "
    - Martin Luther King Jr.

  • crossroads
    crossroads

    Facism----A one-party system of government marked
    by a centralized dictatorship, social and economic controls,
    and strong nationalism.

    I think we bombed the wrong counties in WWII.

    For all the Yahoo americans out there. Look at the definition
    from the outside looking in.

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    crossroads,

    That's the point I keep trying to make: America is not what it used to be, and most sheep haven't even noticed because they are too busy staring slack-jawed at the "news" and "reality" programs.

  • Francois
    Francois

    Well I suppose this is going to be really popular, however the statement has been made on this thread, "Someone at the conference said afterwards, how could the treaty be "fatally flawed" when almost every country in the entire world has now ratified it."

    Be that as it may, the sentiment that the Protocol couldn't possibly be wrong because the entire world has now ratified it (Did it? I haven't heard the news today) is the same argument as "how could six million Jehovah's Witnesses be wrong?" The fact that large numbers of people decide to agree upon a matter does not make it right. That's the fatal flaw of pure democracy: the majority can be, and often is, wrong, sometimes fatally so - as in Germany in 1936. The protocol is little more than the expression of envy for the United States on the part of less successful countries and an attempt to bring us down to their level.

    The idea that the U.S. should jump in because it produces X percent of the greenhouse gases IMO is absurd. That argument always stops short. The U.S. also produces HOW MUCH of the world's steel, copper, titanium, chromium, and other strategic materials necessary for its defense and that of its allies? It produces how much of the world's pharmaceuticals? Produces how many of the world's vital discoveries and advances in medicine and in all the sciences including physics, chemistry, biology, oceanography, and ecology and so on and on? It is the free world's marketplace and economic leader. And how frequently is it demanded, DEMANDED, of America by the rest of the free world to act as the world's policemen? And this is just the short list of American contributions to the world's well-being, comfort, and security...for which millions of Americans have given their lives.

    The Brits have not the moral standing to criticize America. Once magnificent world leaders, the British have been reduced by their own decision-making to a second-rate, economically stagnant, socialist sink-hole, and now seek to have the U.S. join them in their misery. England is a primary example of what Barbara Tuchman, writing in "The March of Folly" styled as the "stupidity of a nation which takes actions in direct contravention of its own best interests."

    The British also produced one of the greatest statesmen, leaders the world has ever known, who said, "I do not wonder that British youth is in revolt against the morbid doctrine that nothing matters but the equal sharing of miseries; that what used to be called the submerged tenth can only be rescued by bringing the other nine-tenths down to their level; against the folly that it is better that everyone should have half rations rather than that any, by their exertions, or ability, should earn a second helping. Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It is government of the duds, by the duds, and for the duds."

    And Churchill - my personal hero - issued many other warnings of the dangers of a Fabian socialism, not the least of which is: "No socialist system can be established without a political police." And I say to hell with a political police, no matter how disguised; even when disguised as a seemingly desireable environmental effort. Unfortunately, Churchill was always to play Cassandra to the British people's Priam.

    I say the Kyoto Protocol is little more than a premature reaction to an unproven theory; a statement that the world's environment can "only be rescued" by bringing nine-tenths of the world's economic power "down to their level," and I say to hell with it.

    My $0.02.

    Francois

    P.S. You think Bush is bad? Have you taken a close look at that grinning idiot Prime Minister of yours lately?

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster

    Yeah! That goes double for me.

    And we bailed your asses out twice in two different world wars. Once, while fighting on the other side of the world at the same time!

    So there!

    Slipnslidemaster: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. "
    - Martin Luther King Jr.

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