are the rosicrucian's another cult?.
i'm considering applying to their order.
this time i wanna do some homework but they are a secrect society very quiet and unscandalish.. what do you think.
I did not realise the rosy cross people were still around. I came across them in reading about 18th Century Europe. There are a few references I could look up, but there's something in Mozarts Magic Flute: the flying machine in the final act is decorated with red roses, hmmm I forget the others. Mozart was a mason, not a Rosicrucian, but there are many similarities between the orders.
My advice is go the whole way, and join the Illuminati.
philo
the wtbts is looking to the perfection of the obedient humans in happiness.
but they have also acknowledged the psychological truth that happiness is not a state we can arrive at, but is a process of change, transformation and book selling.. my question is, is the idea of humanity ever being perfectly happy fundamentally flawed?
do we need to be discontent as humans in order to continue human progress, transformation etc and gain temporary happiness along the way?
Frenchy,
Our basic human thinking, where we identify something having a roof as either 'a' house, or 'not' a house, is binary; achieving these is our goal. All 'more than' or 'less than' valuations and identifications are less satisfying to us, they are practical distinctions, which we would like to clarify oneday if possible. Are these the semantics you referred to?
Also, I can't help but think of the analogy of matter/energy and space; there is energy, or there is emptiness. Space seems an 'unhappy' state to me, but we are of course 'made' physically of space and matter. So it's more than being 'contaminated' with these values, I think we are constructed by them.
Andee, I liked the idea of pleasantville, but the film got boring quite soon, (I hope I'm not making this thread boring too) which is a nice irony. It seems I have contradicted your remarks about 'colour' in human life, and yet I agree with you completely! So I think we need colour to challenge our assumptions, to allow us to see things differently,in new spectra, then we can continue to ask questions and struggle to understand. We struggle to conquer our universe through knowledge, but if we achieved that conquest we would be unhappy. LOL
philo (unhappy with life, afraid of death)
not just content with attempting to scuttle the kyoto accord by claiming it was anti-american, bush has now pulled the usa out of an international agreement on tightening up controls on chemical warfare, citing almost exactly the same concerns.
can't you blokes across the atlantic impeach this lunatic?.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
A note to Francoise:
I wonder whether you follow British politics much. Perhaps it is too unpleasant for you to look at. But Tony Blair is often called Son of Thatcher, his affection for Business is embarressing to the unions, he is engaged in privatising (in all but name) the London underground and areas the public health service, and is certainly the least socialist Labour politican ever at No 10. His smiles, which get under your skin so much are just window dressing, you have to look past that.
philo
not just content with attempting to scuttle the kyoto accord by claiming it was anti-american, bush has now pulled the usa out of an international agreement on tightening up controls on chemical warfare, citing almost exactly the same concerns.
can't you blokes across the atlantic impeach this lunatic?.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
Englishman,
I am looking forward to American coming fully behind carbon reduction, if not politically then in every other way. Americans won't miss the opportunities to make money out of it, nor should they. Best of luck to them. Kyoto has shown America to be a weaker world leader in political terms than had been thought.
philo
just a reminder to those who never did read this: .
ps: hello watchtower legal dep!
i guess you love this:.
I will set a muzzle as a guard to my own mouth
What a pity the GB doesn't take its own advice.
philo
the wtbts is looking to the perfection of the obedient humans in happiness.
but they have also acknowledged the psychological truth that happiness is not a state we can arrive at, but is a process of change, transformation and book selling.. my question is, is the idea of humanity ever being perfectly happy fundamentally flawed?
do we need to be discontent as humans in order to continue human progress, transformation etc and gain temporary happiness along the way?
THe WTBTS is looking to the perfection of the obedient humans in happiness. But they have also acknowledged the psychological truth that happiness is not a state we can arrive at, but is a process of change, transformation and book selling.
My question is, is the idea of humanity ever being perfectly happy fundamentally flawed? Do we need to be discontent as humans in order to continue human progress, transformation etc and gain temporary happiness along the way? Also, would we be happy to have God put a perfect system in our laps, righteous and unrighteous people, even true blue dubs, would that make them happy?
philo
i just had my navel pierced yesterday.
can i just say ow?!!
the place i chose to have it done was a little on the scary side, clean but weird!
I made sure the person that eventually pierced me was experienced and that the place was a clean and sterile setting. I know, you can't always be sure, but you can make sure they follow proper procedures to protect yourself.
Good advice! I love the irony. But I had a girlfriend who had the same attitude to sex - we were not destined to stay together.
philo (UNPIERCED)
i just had my navel pierced yesterday.
can i just say ow?!!
the place i chose to have it done was a little on the scary side, clean but weird!
WOW, you can pierce there?
Indeed you can, but you can only have sex with metalically compatible partners. Apparently jewellery metals with too much divergence on the elecrolytic scale cause an electric current which can be fatal. A new ager on Twyford Down, in Hampshire, who had a low cost copper foreskin trinket died having intercourse with a girl who had a cheap high-zinc-composition 'silver' ring. BANG.- TEXAS.- BUSH. ALL oVER.
The British Medicinal Journal warned, "the rate of repetitive movements increases the risk of electric shock...also cathodic action produced toxins." "Slow lovemaking may bring dangers down to acceptable proportions...and may even electrically enhance orgasm." All authorities however conclude that the only safe way to wear these mettallic genitallics is to earth ones leg securely to the bed frame during sex. In the open air, a metal tent peg with copper braiding will suffice.
PLease please please, people, THINK where you have it done.
philo
i am interested in the usages of 'loyalty' and 'faithfulness' in watchtower writing.
because faithfulness, to a christian, is usually between the individual and his/her god, whereas loyalty is more often used to describe lower allegiances to causes, organisation, leaders etc, as illustrated.... loyal.
faithful adherence to one's promise, oath, word, etc.
A proper Hi to Somebody. Great to see ya lookin in, red locks 'n all.
Blondie, interesting that the Bethel 'witch hunts' were in spring of 1980, your search result of 242,151 was part of a three year peak1980-83, and then came the summer convention on loyalty in 1981 and articles in 81 and 82. And didn't the new song book with the execrable ditty with the lines, "joyful submission in recognition…loyalty in faith we show" come out in the early 80s. That book was soiled with calls for loyalty to the organisation. The 'generational' loyalty connection is clear enough as you said, 1995 saw the teaching dropped.
I will work on a similar list for the old watchtowers and post back with it.
philo
i am interested in the usages of 'loyalty' and 'faithfulness' in watchtower writing.
because faithfulness, to a christian, is usually between the individual and his/her god, whereas loyalty is more often used to describe lower allegiances to causes, organisation, leaders etc, as illustrated.... loyal.
faithful adherence to one's promise, oath, word, etc.
Whoah! Thanks you guys.
I'll have a good old chew on that.
philo
